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În prealabil postat de andrei_im

Explica-ne te rog, unde in invatatura Sfintilor Parinti ai gasit aceasta conceptie pur apuseana. Nu exista episcopul nevazut (Mantuitorul Hristos) fara episcopul vazut si nu a existat niciodata de la Intrupare incoace.

Sa stii ca ideea pleaca de la un mare papistas, Sf. Ignatie al Antiohiei. Hai sa vedem ce are de spus unul de-al vostru, profesor si mitropolit al Pergamului, presedinte al Academiei din Atena, I. Zizioulas:

“’Unde episcopul este, acolo sa fie si poporul’, pentru ca, dupa cum spune Ignatie, episcopul personifica poporul, Biserica locala. Dar Biserica locala este toata, o entitate completa, intreaga Biserica a lui Dumnezeu pentru ca il contine pe Hristos intreg, cel care face ca Biserica sa fie una, Trupul unic al lui Hristos prin Euharistul dumnezeiesc. In consecinta, Ignatie nu ezita sa mearga mai departe stabilind o legatura intre episcop si Iisus Hristos. Domnul este numit ‘episcop’. Orice i se intimpla episcopului vizibil al Bisericii se transmite episcopului invizibil, Iisus Hristos. Episcopul este o forma si o icoana a lui Hristos sau a Tatalui Insusi, o forma si o icoana care nu trebuie considerate simbolice, ci sa fie luate in sens real: ‘Se cuvine sa dam ascultare nu in mod ipocrit’, pentru ca nu il inselam pe acel episcop vizibil, ci cautam prin aceea sa ne batem joc de Cel care este invizibil. Aceasta imagine realista a legaturii dintre episcopul si Domnul nostru ii permite lui Ignatie sa schimbe cu usurinta cele doua persoane intre ele: cind este departe de Antiohia in drum spre martiriu, Domnul este episcopul acelei Biserici locale. ("Where the Bishop is, there let the multitude be," because according to Ignatius the Bishop incarnates the multitude, the local Church. But the local Church is a full, complete entity, the whole Church of God , because the whole Christ is to be found in her and makes her a unity, the one body of Christ, through the Divine Eucharist. In consequence, Ignatius does not hesitate to go on to link the Bishop with Jesus Christ. The Lord is called "Bishop." Whatever happens to the visible Bishop of the Church is transmitted to the invisible Bishop, Jesus Christ. The Bishop forms a "type" and icon of Christ or of the Father Himself, an icon and type not in a symbolic but in a real sense: "It is fitting to obey in no hypocritical fashion; since one is not deceiving this visible Bishop, but seeking to mock the One who is invisible." This realist view of the relationship between the Bishop and the Lord allows Ignatius easily to interchange these two persons: when he is being led to martyrdom and is away from Antioch , the Lord is the Bishop of that local Church. Two different worlds are thus created: God with the Bishop, and those who are apart from the Bishop with the devil. Unity around the Bishop is a unity around God and in God. 'Tor as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ, these are with the Bishop." In the same way, union with the Bishop constitutes union with Christ, and vice versa. )
(EUCHARIST, BISHOP, CHURCH: THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH IN THE DIVINE EUCHARIST AND THE BISHOP DURING THE FIRST THREE CENTURIES,
http://www.oodegr.com/english/biblia...kef2_2.htm#150)

Deci, iata cum, dupa parerea unor experti (si nici macar stilisti!) Biserica, Trupul lui Hristos, la vremuri de incercare poate sta si numai in jurul episcopului invizibil.