Apoi crede-ma ca tare as vrea sa nu generalizez, da de cand am citit Patericul, si am vazut ce le trece prin cap pana si SFINTILOR apoi mi s-o facut rau. Asta e, atata consolare imi ramane, ca nu pentru viata asta suntem facuti.

De cate lupte si ispite m-a salvat citatul asta, it's my favourite

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mai ana... ma dezamagesti... de unde pana unde ajungi tu la concluziile astea?
nici macar nu stiu bine ce te sminteste atat de tare pana la urma...
doar nu crezi ca femeile sunt sfinte si barbatii niste fiinte slabe supuse instinctului... ar trebui sa vezi granita si sa nu generalizezi.
ma faci sa cred ca tu ai numai ganduri curate. ca tu niciodata nu ai gandit murdar. ca niciodata n-ai avut un gand de curvie, ca niciodata nu ai gandit ceea ce pui pe seama sfintilor... nu cere altora ceea ce nici tu nu poti face... si daca tu nu te poti adapta acestei vieti ce te face sa crezi ca vei avea loc in cealalta...?

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iertare pentru off topicuri... dar nu m-am putut abtine... n-o sa se mai intample... :)

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1) Sf Ioan Gura de Aur , comentariu la Tit 1:15

"All things are pure. God made nothing unclean, for nothing is unclean except for sin only. For [sin] reaches the soul and defiles it... (And) when the soul is unclean, it thinks all things unclean. Therefore, scroupulous observances are no mark of purity, but it is the part of purity to be bold in all things ... moral. What is unclean? Sin, malice, convetousness, wikedness."

si mai jos dupa ce discuta si de altele:

"You see how many forms of uncleaqnliness there are. The woman in childbed is unclean. Yet God made childbirth and the seed of copulation. Why then is the woman unclean, unless something further is intimated? He [Moses] intended to produce piety in the soul, and to deter it from fornication... But these things now are not required of us. But all [attention] is transferred to the soul.

A se vedea Matei 15, 18-20 la care probabil face aluzie.

Ba daaaaaaaaaaa, si eu am gandit, si foarte mult. Da nu chiar asaaaaa, in halul ala, cum am aflat ca gandesc barbatii.

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2) Sf. Grigore cel Mare,intr-o scrisoare catre sf. Augustin de Canterbury care il intreba despre unele practici din VT, e si mai direct:

"A woman should not be forbidden to enter Church during these times, for the workings of nature cannot be considered culpable, and it is not just that she should be refused admittance, since her condition is beyound her control. We know that the woman who suffered an issue of blood, humbly approaching behind our Lord, touched the hem of his robe, and was at once healrd of her sickness. If, therefore, this woman was right to touch our Lord's robe, why may not one who sufferes nature's courses be permitted to enter the Church of God?"

NB A intra in Biserica era echivalent pe vremea aceea si cu a te impartasi.
Dar mai jos e si mai explicit:

And if it is objected that the woman in the Gospels was compelled by disease while the latter are bound by custom, then remember, my brother, that everything that we suffer in this mortal body trough the infirmity of its nature is justly ordained by God since the Fall of man. For hunger, thirst, heat, cold, and weariness originate in this infirmity of our nature; and our search for food against hunger, drink agannst thirst, coolness against heat, clothing against cold, and rest against weariness is only our attempt to obtain some remedy to our weakness. So if it was a laudable presumption in the woman who, in her disease, touched our Lord's robe, why may not the same concession be granted to all women who endure the weakness of nature?"

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Tot din sf. Grigore cel mare, un citat mai pedagogic sau cu sens pastoral:

"A woman, therefore, should not be forbidden to recieve the mistery of Communion at these times. If any (women) out of deep sense of reverence do not presume to do so, this is commendable; but f they do so, they do nothing wrong. Sincere people often acknoledge their faults even when there is no actual fault, because a blameless action may often spring from a fault. For instance, eating is no fault, but being hungry originates in Adam's sin; similarly, the monthly courses of women are no fault [asta-i pt prietenul Emanuel ;-)], because nature causes them. But the corruption of our nature is apparent even when we have no deliberate intention to de evil, and this corruption springs from sin; so may we recognize the judgment that our sin has brought on us. But let the man who deliberately commits sin bear the unwellcome punishment of his wrongdoings. So, when women after due consideration do not presume to approach the sacraments of the Body and Blood of the Lord during their courses, they are to be commended. But if they are moved by devout love of the holly mystery to receive it as pious custom requires, they are not to be discouraged."

Stiu eu, nu prea mi se poare ca necuratia materiala ar avea ceva de-a face cu asta, ar insemna sa ni se spuna sa facem o baie inainte de impartasanie si asta tare aminteste de spalaturile rituale la evrei si la musulmani.. Noi crestinii am depasit planul asta.

Dar da, daca o femeie se simte deprimata si are impresia ca nu se poate impartasi cum trebuie, ar putea sa nu o faca, nu e si obligata.. Insa se poate simti asa si din alte motive...