În prealabil postat de Imogene (Post 200199)

Multumesc pentru explicatii, stereox. Ai explicat pe intelesul meu. :) Ma uitam in wikipedia si am vazut ca explica tipurile de agnosticism. Tu unde te situezi?

"Agnosticism can be subdivided into several categories. Recently suggested variations include:

Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism")

the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."

Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day when there is evidence we can find something out."

Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)
the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.[citation needed]

Agnostic atheism
the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but do not believe in any.[15]

Agnostic theism (also called "spiritual agnosticism")
the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.

Ignosticism
the view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth"

În prealabil postat de stereox (Post 200189)

Buna Oana!
Daca-mi permiti, o sa incerc sa raspund si eu la cateva dintre intrebarile tale.



Biblia citita onest, fara a sari peste pasajele care nu convin cititorului, este un argument foarte puternic pentru ateism.

Este plina de contradictii, are o viziune foarte ciudata despre cum functioneaza lumea noastra - e asa cum te-ai astepta sa fie un document redactat de ciobani si simpli agricultori de acum cateva mii de ani.

Mai mult, Dumnezeul din Biblie este adeseori un tiran sadic si razbunator. Ce valoare morala are povestea in care niste copii sunt ucisi de un urs? Sau indemnurile la macel, genocid si violarea fecioarelor din cetatile adversarilor?

Sau faptul ca Biblia stabileste cu ce pret sa vinzi un sclav, functie de varsta lui, daca e barbat sau femeie, daca e fecioara sau nu? Stii ca in Biblie scrie ca daca un evreu cumpara un alt evreu ca sclav, trebuie sa-l elibereze dupa 6 ani? Dar, daca intre timp sclavul evreu are copii, atunci ei raman proprietatea stapanului, chiar daca tatal lor a fost eliberat.



Sunt convins ca esti sincera in credinta ta. Imi face placere sa vorbesc cu oameni care cred cu adevarat si care devin mai buni din cauza asta.
Dar toata bunatatea izvorata din credinta nu reprezinta o dovada ca Dumnezeu exista. Au fost oameni care au crezut in Zeus poate si din cauza asta au fost mai buni, mai onesti, mai morali. Asta nu inseamna ca Zeus e real.

În prealabil postat de oana_elena (Post 200203)

Stii...de multe ori incerc sa-mi explic dragostea fata de parinti, fata de sot/iubit (vorbesc in general), fata de cei dragi, fata de cei pe care ii stimam si mai ales cea fata de Dumnezeu si
nu pot, exista pur si simplu si-mi vine sa urlu de fericire ca iubesc tot ce am detaliat mai sus...ma inalta!

În prealabil postat de Imogene (Post 200199)

Multumesc pentru explicatii, stereox. Ai explicat pe intelesul meu. :) Ma uitam in wikipedia si am vazut ca explica tipurile de agnosticism. Tu unde te situezi?

Ignosticism
the view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth"

În prealabil postat de Imogene (Post 200205)

Ce anume te face sa negi Dumnezeul ortodox?

În prealabil postat de Imogene (Post 200205)

Ce anume te face sa negi Dumnezeul ortodox?

În prealabil postat de topcat (Post 200209)

Si daca ai afla ca aceasta dragoste are o chimie pe care stiinta o poate explica si reproduce te-ai da jos? S-ar schimba cu ceva aceasta dragoste daca ai descoperi ca ea e produsa de niste procese scirboase sau mecanice, daca ai afla ca esti doar o masinarie foarte complexa?

În prealabil postat de oana_elena (Post 200222)

Poate ca am simtit si partea cu procesele scarboase pe care o numeam fals dragoste si partea care ma inalta pe care o numesc dragoste adevarata si de aceea acum nu-mi explic frumustea inaltatoare decat prin si cu Dumnezeu.


Daca ti-as spune sa cauti parinti sfinti in viata si sa incerci sa vorbesti cu ei, sa vezi acolo misticism si daruri de la Dumnezeu, ai face-o pentru tine daca nu pentru Dumnezeu?( parintele Iustin Parvu, calugarul Nicodim (Ploiesti), parintele Arsenie Papacioc... cauta, cauta ....si mare-ti va fi mirarea...





Usoara ironie cu "te-ai da jos?" nu o iau in seama :P