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Andreea Ogăraru scrie despre cum se face vaccinarea la copii în Olanda și Elveția: FĂRĂ vaccinuri la naștere, FĂRĂ administrare de substanțe, inclusiv laptele praf, înainte ca bebelușul să facă analize temeinice

http://www.activenews.ro/stiri-sanat...meinice-142337

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În prealabil postat de simpllu (Post 645961)

Andreea Ogăraru scrie despre cum se face vaccinarea la copii în Olanda Či ElveČia: FĂRĂ vaccinuri la naČtere, FĂRĂ administrare de substanČe, inclusiv laptele praf, înainte ca bebeluČul să facă analize temeinice

http://www.activenews.ro/stiri-sanat...meinice-142337

Minte fara rusine:

Elvetia

http://translate-en.city.yokohama.lg...nization1.html

Arata cam ca programul de vaccinare de la noi.

Pentru Olanda sa verifice si altii.

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În prealabil postat de simpllu (Post 643940)

âPe de o parte, guvernul cere femeilor gravide să evite să mănânce peČte la conservă pentru a nu face rău fetusului, iar, pe de altă parte, cei de la CDC (Centrul pentru Controlul Či PrevenČia Bolilor) susČin vaccinarea femeilor gravide, a bebeluČilor Či copiilor cu vaccinuri care conČin mercur. Asta sfidează orice logică de bun simČâ, a spus Kennedy în conferinČa de presă

Desigur ca mergand pe aceeasi logica de bun simt, Robert F. Kennedy Jr pare un om pe care experienta sa personala de viata il arata foarte responsabil si grijuliu cu sanatatea proprie, incat e cel mai in masura om de pe planeta sa aiba grija de sanatatea celorlali. Comportamentul sau inspira atata siguranta, ca numai citind despre el stii ca esti in siguranta, daca il lasi pe acest om sa gandeasca in locul specialistilor, al medicilor, cand vine vorba de siguranta vaccinurilor, nu? ;-)

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Kennedy had difficulty coping and got in trouble at home and with the law, getting arrested for loitering and marijuana possession.[4] At 15, Kennedy was expelled from Millbrook School in New York state because of his bad behavior and poor grades

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In July 1983, after his second attempt, Kennedy passed the bar examination in the State of New York.[8] Less than a year later he was disbarred and fired[9] from the District Attorney's office for drug abuse.
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In September 1983, Kennedy was charged with heroin possession in South Dakota when he became ill in the lavatory of an airplane that stopped in Rapid City, South Dakota.[12] In February 1984, he pleaded guilty to a felony charge of possessing heroin.[8] He was sentenced to community service after being sent to rehab.
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In April 2001, Kennedy was arrested for trespassing at Camp Garcia, the United States Navy training facility on the island of Vieques, Puerto Rico, where he and others were protesting of the use of a section of the island for training.

Plus ca formarea sa profunda in domeniul medicinei il face mai expert decat orice doctor cand vine vorba de subiecte medicale gen vaccinuri ;-)

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Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. (born January 17, 1954) is an American radio host, environmental activist, author and attorney specializing in environmental law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.

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În prealabil postat de adam000 (Post 645966)

:21:Desigur ca mergand pe aceeasi logica de bun simt ,desi nu avem si biografia ta pe wikipedia ,tu cu siguranta esti mai virtuos decat Robert F. Kennedy Jr . Putem deduce asta din superioritatea si suficienta cu care ne argumentezi ...adhominemul.

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Comportamentul sau inspira atata siguranta, ca numai citind despre el stii ca esti in siguranta, daca il lasi pe acest om sa gandeasca in locul specialistilor, al medicilor, cand vine vorba de siguranta vaccinurilor, nu? ;-)

Si specialistii tai sunt niste sfintisori(ca si tine probabil ,nu ca ...Kennedy :71:) ei nu sunt biasati si nu ascund date,Doamne fereste! immunity-to-cdc-whistleblower-on-measles-vaccine-link-to-autism/

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Plus ca formarea sa profunda in domeniul medicinei il face mai expert decat orice doctor cand vine vorba de subiecte medicale gen vaccinuri ;-)

:24: Formarea "profunda" intr-un domeniu iti garanteaza faptul ca respectivul specialist nu mai poate minti sau insela in domeniul respectiv sau din contra ,o poate face chiar mai usor decat un "nespecialist" si asta fara sa-ti dai seama?

vaccine_and_autism_correlation_us_2011_j_tox_env_h ealth.pdf

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În prealabil postat de flying (Post 646035)

vaccine_and_autism_correlation_us_2011_j_tox_env_h ealth.pdf

Aham.
Apropo, exista o corelatie statistica intre casatorie si divort.
Astfel, s-a stabilit, ca principala cauza a divortului este casatoria.
Inca nu s-a gasit nici macar o singura persoana care sa divorteze fara sa fie castorita in prealabil.

Limitations
This study examined aggregate data, which introduced at least four limitations.

(1) Since
the dependent variable was a percentage, the regression analysis showed association, not causation. If individual children had been
examined, the dependent variable might have been 1 if the child developed autism or speech disorder and 0 otherwise. The results of such a regression could have been used to predict health outcomes for children not in the study. However, such analysis is beyond the scope of this study.

(2) The data in this study were not exact. Learning disability classifications were assigned by individual school districts, which may have implemented classifications differently; vaccination proportions were based on limited surveys, not entire populations.

(3) Aggregation bias assumes each individual in a given group acts according to the average of the group, but that is rarely the
case. In this study, children in each U.S. state were divided into two groups, fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated. However, the variation among the not fully vaccinated children was not known. Even if a child missed only one shot in the series, that child was classified as not fully vaccinated. A child who missed only one shot was different from a child who was completely unvaccinated, yet in this study both children were classified as not fully vaccinated.

(4) Confounding factors were also an issue. Factors such as prenatal exposure to toxins (Austin 2008) and toxin exposure from
sources other than vaccines (Palmer et al. 2006; 2009) were not considered yet might influence whether a child develops autism. Although the study found that, on average, children who were not fully vaccinated were less likely to develop autism or speech disorders, any given childâespecially a child who was almost fully vaccinated or was exposed to toxins in uteroâmay have developed the disabilities.
As a result of âecological fallacyââapplying results from the study of aggregate populations to individualsâepidemiological studies such as this one are better for creating hypotheses than for establishing causation (Washio et al. 2008).

Sau in varianta facila pentru cei care nu pricep engleza sau nu inteleg ce este scris: studiul este un joculet statistic cu limitari severe, pe scurt: apa de ploaie.

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În prealabil postat de AlinB (Post 646100)

Aham.
Limitations
This study examined aggregate data, which introduced at least four limitations.

:21: Studiile adevarate prezinta limitarile si presupunerile facute in cadrul lor .Tu stii de existenta vre-unui studiu care nu are limitari? Ia prezinta-ne un studiu care afirma ca nu exista nici o legatura intre autism si vaccinare ,sa vedem daca gasim limitari sau nu.

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Sau in varianta facila pentru cei care nu pricep engleza sau nu inteleg ce este scris: studiul este un joculet statistic cu limitari severe, pe scurt: apa de ploaie.

:21: Ca sa te credem pe cuvant ,trebuie sa presupunem[asta e o limitare :71:] ca tu nu esti biasat , ca esti sincer [a doua limitare ] si ca ce afirmi tu poate fi dovedit cu certitudine[a treia limitare].

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În prealabil postat de AlinB (Post 646100)

:24::24::24:

Daca le lasi suficient timp si spatiu pe internet sa se desfasoare, e foarte posibil ca suspiciosii cu gura mare si afectiune deosebita pt teorii conspirationiste gen astia cu anti-vaccinurile), sa duca concluziile chiar un pas mai departe - ca principala cauza a casatoriei e divortul!
Doar toata lumea stie ca presa mainstream si specialistii vor sa le bage ceva in pensie! Sau in certificatul de divort, dupa caz, un chip ceva, sau o molecula de tiomersal, ca sa-i prosteasca sa se casatoreasca! Normal ca nu au incredere!

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În prealabil postat de adam000 (Post 646185)

:71: Iarna nu-i ca vara...

Iarna nu-i ca vara si nici economistii nu sunt ca specialistii...

Autoarea articolului pe care il dai tu ca exemplu ca ar dovedi o corelatie intre autism si vaccinare, este economist ca formare, nu cercetator in domeniul medical, nici al vaccinarii. Poate de aceea intelege despre boli cat poate intelege un economist, confundand putin (mai mult) care e treaba cu bolile si folosind date gresite pt acel studiu - considerand ca autisti pe toti copii cu dizabilitati de vorbire (adica nu pe cei autisti), ca sa-i iasa cifrele si concluziile studiului cum vrea ea.

Faptul ca studiul nu are nici o valoare stiintifica in priviinta autismului, ne luand in considere copii autisti, ci o gramada mult mai mare de copii cu dizabilitati de vorbire, a fost deja explicat si criticat de mult si de multi:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...credited-idea/

https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/20...m-inseparable/

De asemenea doamna in cauza nu este impartiala, ci are doua fete bolnave de autism si face parte dintre activistii zelosi anti-vaccinare, avand un interes pesonal (si financiar?) in asta:

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DeLong is on the Executive Board of the anti-vaccine group SafeMinds and is described there thusly:

Dr. Gayle DeLong is a parent of two girls with autism. Starting in May 2005, her family began biomedical interventions to treat the girlsâ illness. Both girls have benefited greatly from supplements, diet, chelation, and hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Gayle holds a Ph.D. in international business and finance from New York University as well as an International Masterâs in Business Administration from the University of South Carolina. She teaches international finance at Baruch College, City University of New York. She serves on SafeMindâs research committee. She has attended rallies in Washington, DC to promote safer vaccines and spoken against adding vaccines to New Jerseyâs mandated schedule at a public hearing in Trenton, NJ. She lives with her husband and two daughters in Morristown, NJ.

Flying, de curiozitate, tu cand (Doamne fereste!) te imbolnavesti de ceva, te duci la doctor? Sau o intrebi pe doamna de la lumanari cum e mai bine sa te tratezi?
In preoti, ca specialisti in domeniul lor, ai incredere?