[orthodoxia.i.thanatos]

În prealabil postat de orthodoxia.i.thanatos

Doi arhiepiscopi dau interviuri la televiziune si in reviste in care spun clar, raspicat ca Bisericile lor recunosc tainele romano-catolicilor si tu zici ca nu-i pozitie oficiala?!! A luat atitudine careva din sinodul Bisericii lui Stalin sau al Bisericii Constantinopolului impotriva lor? Sau ce ai vrea? sa-ti trimita Patriarhul Moscovei personal scrisoare acasa ca sa confirme declaratiile pe care ei le fac atit in Rusia, cit si in strainatate?

http://www.crestinortodox.ro/forum/s...&postcount=176

http://www.crestinortodox.ro/forum/s...&postcount=178

http://www.crestinortodox.ro/forum/s...&postcount=200

Sau vezi la linkurile de mai jos documentele prin care tainele monofizitilor sint recunoscute de Damasc si Alexandria.

http://www.antiochian.net/index.php?...=657&Itemid=63

http://www.antiochian.net/index.php?...=655&Itemid=63

Fa bine si observa chiar in titlu:

Official Statement of the Orthodox Church of Antioch on Relations between the Eastern Orthodox and Syrian Orthodox Churches of Antioch.

În prealabil postat de BogdanF2

Tu stii ce e aia pozitie oficiala? Eu zic ca e pozitia marturisita de Sf. Sinod, nu de unul sau altul.

In timpul Sf. Marcu al Efesului sau al Sf. Maxim Marturisitorul, majoritatea ierarhilor o luasera razna si chiar pozitia oficiala devenise una eretica.

Ti-am dat niste linkuri, dar, dupa cum se vede, nu prea te-ai obosit sa citesti, dar nu te condamn, inteleg ca nu-ti face nici o placere.

Iata ce spun exact cei doi arhiepiscopi:

"I am optimistic that unity will come. Probably not in my lifetime – I will turn 80 later this year! But soon. I believe we Catholics and Orthodox have pretty much come to understand that the only remaining problem area is that of the role of the Bishop of Rome which deal with universal jurisdiction, primacy and infallibility. We recognize each other’s sacraments; we all accept Apostolic succession; we have the same beliefs in the Eucharist and the real presence of Christ; we follow a balance between Scripture and Tradition. With 98% common ground, we certainly can find solutions to the remaining with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit. We simply need to fulfill Christ’s commandments to put aside our personal desires and cares, and dedicate our lives to spreading His Gospel throughout the world. (Ips Vsevolod, Patriarhia Ecumenica, in 2007: http://www.thecatholicworld.com/arch.../article_2.pdf[/COLOR])

"To all intent and purposes, mutual recognition of each others Mysteries already exists between us." (Ips Ilarion, Biserica lui Stalin, octombrie 2009: http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2009/...lic-sacraments, http://vera.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=237432)

"If a Roman Catholic priest converts to Orthodoxy, we receive him as a priest, and we do not re-ordain him. And that means that, de facto, we recognize the Mysteries of the Roman Catholic Church.”(Ips Iilarion, Biserica lui Stalin, octombrie 2009: http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2009/...lic-sacraments, http://vera.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=237432)

"We recognize the Sacraments of the Catholic Church. If a Catholic priest moves over to Orthodoxy we accept him as priest." .”(Ips Ilarion, Biserica lui Stalin, decembrie 2009: Der Spiegel, http://www.mospat.ru/en/2009/12/14/news10180)

Dupa cum vezi, prea-sfintiile lor vorbesc intotdeauna la plural, de asemenea, nimeni din sinoadele carora le apartin nu i-a contrazis vreodata. Nu am nici un motiv sa cred ca afirmatiile lor nu reprezinta pozitia oficiala a Bisericilor din care fac parte.

In ce priveste relatiile cu monofizitii, cred ca iarasi nu incape discutie: declaratiile isi spun oficiale chiar din titlu (vezi mai sus).