[orthodoxia.i.thanatos]

În prealabil postat de BogdanF2

Las-o balta ca vorbesti prostii. Ce intelegi tu prin oficial? Era predicat cat se poate de deschis de multi episcopi din apus, mult mai deschis decat este ecumenismul in zia de azi.

Degeaba incerci sa minimizezi amploarea pe care filioque a avut-o in apus, ca n-ai dreptate nici pe departe.

Poftim, pentru a zecea oara:

"Cred ca am mai discutat si acest subiect. Nu exista nici un fel de asemanare intre felul in care a fost introdus Filoque si schimbarea calendarului. In cazul primului a fost un proces indelungat pina cind a fost erezie marturisita si de Roma, dar adoptarea calendarului revizuit s-a facut rapid, in cel mai oficial mod cu putinta si brutal. Ti-am mai citat si inainte din enciclopedia catolica:

"The decrees of this last council were examined by Pope Leo III, who approved of the doctrine conveyed by the Filioque, but gave the advice to omit the expression in the Creed. The practice of adding the Filioque was retained in spite of the papal advice, and in the middle of the eleventh century it had gained a firm foothold in Rome itself. Scholars do not agree as to the exact time of its introduction into Rome , but most assign it to the reign of Benedict VIII (1014-15)."

Si-ntr-un caz, si-n altul, schisma s-a produs cind erezia a devenit oficiala.

Sa vedem acum ce au de spus si ortodocsii si o sa fac trimitere la Enciclica Consiliului Pan-Ortodox de la 1848 semnata de 4 patriarhi si 29 de episcopi. La punctul 5.6 gasim urmatoarea referire la modul in care Filoque a intrat in Biserica:

"It clandestinely found an entrance at first in the Churches of the West, "a wolf in sheep's clothing," that is, under the signification not of procession, according to the Greek meaning in the Gospel and the Creed, but under the signification of mission, as Pope Martin explained it to the Confessor Maximus, and as Anastasius the Librarian explained it to John VIII.

Sau, si mai explicit la punctul 6:

"This heresy, which has united to itself many innovations, as has been said, appeared about the middle of the seventh century, at first and secretly, and then under various disguises, over the Western Provinces of Europe, until by degrees, creeping along for four or five centuries, it obtained precedence over the ancient orthodoxy of those parts, through the heedlessness of Pastors and the countenance of Princes. Little by little it overspread not only the hitherto orthodox Churches of Spain, but also the German, and French, and Italian Churches, whose orthodoxy at one time was sounded throughout the world..."

Unde vezi tu asemanare cu schimbarea calendarului caruia i-a trebuit doar 1 an (in Romania si Grecia) pina sa fie declarat oficial, introdus si impus fara exceptie?"