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În prealabil postat de anna21

Pe mine ma dezgusta sa port discutii cu abortionisti, te rog nu o lua personal..

Pe mine ma dezgusta sa discut cu oamenii anti-femei si anti-cresterea-copiilor-in-conditii-decente care cred ca au dreptul sa dicteze altora ce sa faca cu propriul corp. Te rog, nu o lua personal...

Imagineaza-ti ca eu imi invat copiii sa nu omoare nici o musca.. daca gasesc un paianjen in casa, ei stiu cum sa-l prinda si sa-l scoata afara etc... pt ca are viata data de Dumnezeu.

Si cred ca iti imaginezi ca eu tai pisici din placere cu lama... si le beau sangele. Sau cum?

In ce termeni pot eu gandi despre cineva care crede ca un fetus nu este om?!

Nu cred, chiar nu este.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonata...n_and_abortion

Scientific research generally indicates that the fetus is incapable of feeling pain until at least the 24th week. Many pro-life activists strongly believe in the ability of a fetus to perceive pain, and have introduced legislation in line with this belief.

Asta e diferenta dintre tine si mine. Eu ma bazez pe ce stim. Tu te bazezi pe credinte proprii nefondate pe nimic.

Daca dezvoltarea creierului/ constiinta/ prezenta durerii sunt criterii ptr departajarea omului.. atunci se justifica uciderea celor cu alzheimer sau a celor in coma... etc.

... sau a celor sub anestezie, nu? Ce alte comparatii aiurea mai ai?
Cei cu alzeimer simt durerea. Cei in coma, dependent de caz, isi pot reveni.

Sunt si alte criterii, altul ar fi viabilitatea. Vezi ce s-a spus de viabilitate pana acum. Abia pe la 6-7 luni fatul are sanse sa traiasca un pic mai mari decat aruncarea cu banul.

Deschidem larg portile atrocitatilor. Sa stii ca nici nazistii nu erau departe de astfel de idei.

Conform legii lui Godwin, tocmai ce ai pierdut dezbaterea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Fa-ti un bine si citeste despre istoria ideilor privind contraceptia si controlul populatiei ca sa afli ce fel de oameni le-au gandit si promovat (sa intelegi ca sunt cu adevarat de origine demonica).

Sigur, e mai demonic sa iei pastila de a doua zi sau sa avortezi un embrion care nu simte durere, decat sa aduci pe lume un copil si sa-l moara de foame in chinuri groaznice, eventual dupa ce ia face si o pneumonie sau vreo infectie.

Revenind la educatia sexuala:

De astfel de statistici e plin netul: educatia sexuala nu are rezultatele scontate (acelea fiind scaderea avorturilor).

Daca e plin, ma mir ca n-ai gasit nici una care sa arate clar ca pe fondul cresterii educatiei sexuale avorturile au crescut.

La primul search pe google:
Figures from the Office for National Statistics indicated 42.4 per cent of all pregnancies to women under the age of 20 ended in a legal abortion in 2008. This compares with 37.8 per cent a decade ago.

Daca au ajuns la avort, cam ce educatie sexuala au primit? Ca educatia sexuala e legata de preventie, de protectie, nu "fa-o fara prezervativ".

Experts said that though some progress had been made in halting Britain's alarming rate of teen pregnancies, abortion was increasingly seen as the major method of contraception for many young women.

Vezi ca ai demonstrat contrariul ca a spune ca s-a progresat si ca avortul ERA vazut ca mijloc contraceptiv.

Pai daca avortul e vazut ca mijloc de contraceptie, e tocmai inversul. Alea nu-s educate, din contra.

Nearly two-thirds, 61.5 per cent, of all pregnancies to girls under the age of 16 ended in abortion, up from 52 per cent a decade ago.
Some of the highest rates of teen abortions were in the most affluent areas in the country. Richmond upon Thames, Windsor & Maidenhead, Westminster all witnessed rates of 70 per cent or more of all pregnancies to women under the age of 18 ending in abortion.[/i]

Aici spune ca-s avorturi, nu spune ca-s avorturi pe fondul educatiei sexuale.

Sfarsitul e graitor:

Mike Judd at the Christian Institute said: .. all young people hear is that it's OK as long as they practise safe sex. But many end up not doing so, and are left with an unwanted pregnancy.

Ups, adica nu se protejeaza. Pai cum vine asta? Adica nu au invatat ca trebuie sa se protejeze, deci nu si-au asumat educatia sexuala. Deci e pe dos de cum zici.

sau alta:
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Etc.. sunt luate de pe www.telegraph.co.uk

Pai etc-ul ala spune exact pe dos, ce facem aici?

Experts believe the situation has come about because young people are being sexualised at an increasingly early age, but not taught about the consequences of their behaviour.

Deci nu au educatie sexuala, ci sunt doar sexualizati devreme.

There are also fears that the number of schoolgirls having babies will increase still further doing the recession, as motherhood provides a purpose in life and a ready source of benefits.

Deci din cauza problemelor financiare, ele raman gravide si se folosesc de ajutorul de la stat. Ups, iar nu aplica contraceptia, aici in mod constient.

Anastasia de Waal, the director of family and education at Civitas, a think tank, said: "There is a lethal combination of everything being highly sexualised while teenagers are ignorant about what's going to happen.

Deci sunt needucati. Situatia incepe sa semene mai mult cu Romania. nici nu-i de mirare ca-s aceleasi rezultate.

"They're behaving in a very adult way then finding themselves in a situation where they're completely out of their depth.

Adica nu sunt informati. Nu au educatie sexuala.

"The bigger question is why do some girls see this as their best option? It seems like a viable option for young people to come out of school and become parents in a very unstable situation.
"We will probably see an increase as there is more unemployment."

Adica vor pomana de la stat pentru ca au probleme financiare, adica in mod constient NU se protejeaza.

Cand dai o sursa, dai sursa completa, sa vad si eu. Bine ca nu mi-ai dat ca sursa "google".

Ambele articole pe care le-ai dat se pare ca arata tocmai contrariul, poate de-aia n-ai dat sursa.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...-campaign.html



De exemplu, asa:
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/sto...ents/fsest.pdf

De curiozitate te poti uita la ultima pagina, e plina de referinte la date oficiale si studii sociologice.

Acum compara cu ce ai dat tu. Romania e la fel ca SUA. Ignora problema.

Citez, pagina 4:

If society in the United States were to become more comfortable with sexuality and if governmental policies were to create greater and easier access to sexual health information and services, then U.S. teens’ sexual health outcomes would improve markedly. Imagine that the United States’ teen pregnancy, birth, and abortion rates would improve to match those of the Netherlands, Germany, and France. Improved rates would mean large reductions in the numbers of pregnancies, births, and abortions to U.S. teens each year.

Tabelul e graitor:

Coloanele sunt:
1. daca SUA ar avea acelasi rate ca
2. reduceri la sarcini la adolescente
3. reduceri de nasteri la adolescente
4. reduceri la avorturi la adolescente

France 483,000 362,000 54,023
Germany 555,000 336,000 130,902
Netherlands 627,000 385,000 124,668

Sarcinile astea la adolescente sunt si foarte scumpe, ca statul le ofera protectie sociala:

It has been estimated that the public costs associated with teen birth in the United States were at least $9.1 billion in 2004, an annual average cost of $1,430 per child born to a teen mother.

Therefore, if the U.S. could reduce its teen birth rate to equal that of France, Germany or the Netherlands, it would save significantly on public funds expended to support families begun by a teen birth.

Cred ca este destul de clar.

Da, cand vorbim pe date concrete si fara a scoate numai ce ne convine, se vede ca educatia sexuala reala functioneaza, nu "avortul ca mijloc de contraceptie" sau "evitarea contraceptei pentru ca e o solutie la o problema economica".

Analize mai largi despre dezastrul educatiei sexuale am gasit cartile lui Virgiliu Gheorhe depre mass media..

Pentru ca Virgiliu Gheorghe are in spate o armata de cercetatori si nu are nici un fel de interese favorabile bisericii.

Uite cum arata lucrurile in realitate.

So, if Dutch, German, and French teens have better sexual health outcomes than U.S. teens, what’s the secret? Is there a ‘silver bullet’ solution for the United States that will reduce the following statistics?
Nine million new cases of sexually transmitted infections among 15- to 24-year-old youth;15
More than five thousand new HIV infections among 13- to 24-year-old youth;16
An estimated 750,000 pregnancies among U.S. teens;15
Approximately 200,000 abortions among U.S. teens;1 and
445,000 births among 15- to 19-year-old women.4

Legatura cu reducerile teoretice daca s-ar aplica ratele din Franta, Germania si Olanda sunt graitoare in legatura cu raspunsul.