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Pentru că acolo e BIBLIA ! Şi nu o poţi scoate afară. IACOV 2, nu poate fi dat afară din BIBLIE ! Nici Filipeni 2 !

Dar TU de ce scoti afara versetele astea? Efeseni 2:8, 2 Corinteni 5:17, Tit 3:5, Romani 3:28-30, Romani 4:5, Romani 5:1, Romani 9:30, Romani 10:4, Romani 11:6, Galateni 2:16, Galateni 2:21, Galateni 3:5-6, Galateni 3:24, Filipeni 3:9

DE CE LE IGNORI?

Ti-am mai explicat mai demult ce zice Iacov 2, uite aici:

"The scriptures clearly teach that we are saved (justified) by faith in Christ and what He has done on the cross. This faith alone saves us. However, we cannot stop here without addressing what James says in James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."

There is no contradiction. All you need to do is look at the context. James chapter 2 has 26 verses: Verses 1-7 instruct us not to show favoritism. Verses 8-13 are comments on the Law. Verses 14-26 are about the relationship between faith and works.

James begins this section by using the example of someone who says he has faith but has no works, "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" (James 2:14). In other words, James is addressing the issue of a dead faith, a faith that is nothing more than a verbal pronouncement, a public confession of the mind, and is not heart-felt. It is empty of life and action. He begins with the negative and demonstrates what an empty faith is (verses 15-17, words without actions). Then he shows that type of faith isn't any different from the faith of demons (verse 19). Finally, he gives examples of living faith that has words followed by actions. Works follow true faith and demonstrate that faith to our fellow man, but not to God. James writes of Abraham and Rahab as examples of people who demonstrated their faith by their deeds.

In brief, James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive; hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20). But, he is not contradicting the verses above that say salvation/justification is by faith alone.

Also, notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul quotes in Rom. 4:3 amongst a host of verses dealing with justification by faith. James 2:23 says, "and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, and Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'" If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example. Therefore, we can see that justification is by faith alone and that James was talking about false faith, not real faith when he said we are not justified by faith alone."

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Deci Efeseni 2, 8, Tit 3, 5 Ioan 3, 16, NU CONTRAZIC Iacov 2 şi Filipeni 2 ! Doar compleatză, întregesc ! Arată Adevărul şi sfărîmă ereziile. Arată, că harul lui Hristos, prin care am fost izbăviţi, VINE să ne MÎNTUIASCĂ, numai şi DOAR DACĂ, avem dreapta credinţă creştină, fără erezie, şi dacă am lucrat faptele bune ale credinţei.

Esti un mincinos! Efeseni 2:8, Tit 3:5, si 2 Corinteni 5:17 spun ca mantuirea e DOAR prin credinta, si pe deasupra acele versete spun ca mantuirea nu e prin fapte, citeste-le macar odata. Asta apare foarte clar in ele. Deci tu cu doctrina ta ai o problema foarte mare: ori Biblia contine o contradictie intre versetele astea si Iacov 2, ori interpretarea ta a capitolului 2 din Iacov este eronata. Care dintre ele e?

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Da, vei fi mîntuit ! În Biblia Creştină (nu eretică), spune te vei mîntui. Deci nu spune că eşti gata mîntuit ! Trebuie să ai şi fapte, altfel credinţa fără fapte este moartă.

Deci in mintea ta "crede in Isus si te vei mantui" inseamna "crede in Isus si te vei mantui, dar numai daca ai si fapte" ??? NU asta scrie in pasajul asta! Esti un mincinos! Pasajul ala nu vorbeste despre fapte absolut deloc. Poti sa te opresti din mintit?

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Da. Pavel spune de mîntuirea prin credinţă, iar Iacov spune de mîntuirea prin fapte.

Ai probleme de vedere? Pavel spune de mantuirea prin credinta, fara fapte, si Pavel accentueaza pe "FARA FAPTE". Nu mai mintii!

Efeseni 2:8-9 "Căci prin har aţi fost mântuiţi, prin credinţă. Şi aceasta nu vine de la voi; ci este darul lui Dumnezeu. Nu prin fapte, ca să nu se laude nimeni."

VEZI MINCINOSULE? VEZI? Pavel subliniaza ca mantuirea nu se obtine prin fapte! Trebuie sa fi foarte indoctrinat ca sa citesti versetul ala si sa iti apara cuvantul "fapte" in minte.