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În prealabil postat de BogdanF2

De asta am eu rezerve fata de mateiti si floriniti si de altii... Ceva pare a fi in neregula... De ce se tot faramiteaza ca protestantii? De ce nu raman uniti, daca Adevarul e numai la ei si noi am pierdut Harul asa cu spun ei?

Biserica din Catacombe din Rusia a fost cea care in 1927 s'a opus deciziei Episcopului Serghei de a supune Biserica puterii anti-hristice sovietice! In 1943, fortele serghianiste si cele renovationiste au fost unite la ordinul lui Stalin, si Serghei a fost facut Patriarh!

Bineinteles ca catacombistii au fost prigoniti, mai rau decat crestinii din primele veacuri! In jumatatea a doua a secolului trecut, nici episcopi nu mai aveau saracii datorita regimului de teroare, care era negat cu desavarsire de Patriarhia Moscovei!

Asa ca au apelat la ROCOR! Dar dupa s'au ivit probleme si intre ROCOR si partea ruseasca! Din cate am inteles, o parte a ROCOR-ului vedea PM ca Biserica Mama, insa catacombistii NU! Citeste scrierile lui Vladimir Moss:

http://rocorhistory.blogspot.com/200...r-moss_01.html

Doar cine crezi ca a facut unirea intre ROCOR si PM? Tot mana KGB-ului a fost!


ROCOR-ul vroia un sinod pan-ortodox rusesc pentru a impaca toate cele 3 parti, PM, Biserica din Catacombe si ROCA!

Dar ce s'a intamplat? ROCOR-ul a fost inghitit de PM!


Uite ce scrie Sfantul Mitropolit Philaret:

I should also like to note the following. The Catacomb Church in Russia relates to the Church Abroad with love and total confidence.

However, one thing is incomprehensible to the Catacomb Christians: they can't understand why our Church, which realizes beyond a doubt that the Soviet hierarchy has betrayed Christ and is no longer a bearer of grace, nevertheless receives clergy of the Soviet church in their existing orders, not re-ordaining them, as ones already having grace.

For the clergy and flock receive grace from the hierarchy, and if it [the hierarchy] has betrayed the Truth and deprived itself of grace, from where then does the clergy have grace? It is along these lines that the Catacomb Christians pose the question.

The answer to this is simple. The Church has the authority in certain cases to employ the principle of economia condescension. The hierarch Saint Basil the Great said that, in order not to drive many away from the Church, it is necessary sometimes to permit condescension and not apply the church canons in all their severity. When our Church accepted Roman Catholic clergy in their orders, without ordaining them, she acted according to this principle. And Metropolitan Anthony [Khrapovitsky], elucidating this issue, pointed out that the outward form successive ordination from Apostolic times that the Roman Catholics do have; whereas the grace, which the Roman Catholic church has lost, is received by those uniting [themselves to the Church] from the plenitude of grace present in the Orthodox Church, at the very moment of their joining. The form is filled with content, said Vladyka Anthony.

In precisely the same manner, in receiving the Soviet clergy, we apply the principle of economia. And we receive the clergymen from Moscow not as ones possessing grace, but as ones receiving it by the very act of union. But to recognize the church of the evil-doers as the bearer and repository of grace, that we cannot do, of course. For outside of Orthodoxy there is no grace; and the Soviet church has deprived itself of grace.[/u]

http://blessedphilaret.blogspot.com/...g-mp-1979.html

Asta e ciudat... cum a ajuns biserica aia infiltrata cu KGB-isti? Si astia sunt divizati?

La fel cum a ajuns si ROCOR-ul!

A fost un grup de calugari si mireni care cu 2-3-4 ani in urma se baricadasera intr-o pestera si asteptau sfarsitul lumii peste cateva luni, sfarsit care insa nu a venit. Nu cumva faceau parte din vreuna din factiunile din catacombe? Ca din Biserica Rusa Oficiala sigur nu erau.

Nu stiu despre ce vorbesti! Un link ceva poti sa'mi dai?