Ce este Kabalaua,

[andreicozia]

Mda, foarte interesant. Pe un alt topic se discuta originea celor trei Magi de la Rasarit. Pentru a intelege cine sunt ei si cu ce se ocupau trebuie studiate aceste filozofii vechi iudaice si orientale si mai ales puntile de legatura care le-au descoperit cu PRECIZIE venirea lui Hristos pe pamint.

[maria-luisa]

În prealabil postat de andreicozia

Mda, foarte interesant. Pe un alt topic se discuta originea celor trei Magi de la Rasarit. Pentru a intelege cine sunt ei si cu ce se ocupau trebuie studiate aceste filozofii vechi iudaice si orientale si mai ales puntile de legatura care le-au descoperit cu PRECIZIE venirea lui Hristos pe pamint.

nu vad cu ce afecteaza intrebarea mea pe cineva.

[moshu]

Si ne spui despre Kabala pentru ca...?

[maria-luisa]

În prealabil postat de moshu

Si ne spui despre Kabala pentru ca...?

nu va spun nimic. a fost dor o intrebare, fara intentii ascunse.

[florinbrasov0]

* Bodoff, Lippman; Jewish Mysticism: Medieval Roots, Contemporary Dangers and Prospective Challenges; Jurnalul Edah 2003 3.1 [1]
* Dan, Joseph; The Early Jewish Mysticism, Tel Aviv: MOD Books, 1993.
* Dan, Joseph; The Heart and the Fountain: An Anthology of Jewish Mystical Experiences, New York: Presa de la Oxford University, 2002.
* Dan, Joseph; Samael, Lilith, and the Concept of Evil in Early Kabbalah, AJS Review, vol. 5, 1980.
* Dan, Joseph; The ‘Unique Cherub’ Circle, Tübingen: J.C.B. Mohr, 1999.
* Dan, J. and Kiener, R.; The Early Kabbalah, Mahwah, N.J.: Paulist Press, 1986.
* Dennis, G.; The Encyclopedia of Jewish Myth, Magic, and Mysticism, St. Paul: Llewellyn Wordwide, 2007.
* Fine, Lawrence, ed. Essential Papers in Kabbalah, New York: Presa NYU, 1995.
* Fine, Lawrence; Physician of the Soul, Healer of the Cosmos: Isaac Luria and his Kabbalistic Fellowship, Stanford: Presa Stanford University, 2003.
* Fine, Lawrence; Safed Spirituality, Mahwah, N.J.: Presa Paulist, 1989.
* Fine, Lawrence, ed., Judaism in Practice, Princeton N.J.: Princeton University Presa, 2001.
* Green, Arthur; EHYEH: A Kabbalah for Tomorrow. Woodstock: Publicaţia Jewish Lights, 2003.
* Hecker, Joel; Mystical Bodies, Mystical Meals: Eating and Embodiment in Medieval Kabbalah. Detroit: Presa Wayne State University, 2005.
* Idel, Moshe; Kabbalah: New Perspectives. New Haven and London: Presa de la Yale University, 1988.
* Idel, Moshe; The Golem: Jewish Magical and Mystical Traditions on the Artificial Anthropoid, New York: Presa SUNY, 1990.
* Idel, Moshe; Hasidism: Between Ecstasy and Magic, New York: Presa SUNY, 1995.
* Idel, Moshe; Kabbalistic Prayer and Color, Approaches to Judaism in Medieval Times, D. Blumenthal, ed., Chicago: Presa Şcolarului, 1985.
* Idel, Moshe; The Mystica Experience in Abraham Abulafia, New York, Presa SUNY, 1988.
* Idel, Moshe; Kabbalah: New Perspectives, New Haven, Presa Yale, 1988.
* Idel, Moshe; Magic and Kabbalah in the ‘Book of the Responding Entity’; Lecturile VI ale lui Solomon Goldman, Chicago: Presa Spertus College of Judaica, 1993.
* Idel, Moshe; The Story of Rabbi Joseph della Reina; Behayahu, Studii şi texte despre istoria Comunităţii iudaice din Safed.
* Aryeh Kaplan|Kaplan, Aryeh; Inner Space: Introduction to Kabbalah, Meditation and Prophecy. Moznaim Publishing Corp 1990.
* John W. McGinley; 'The Written' as the Vocation of Conceiving Jewishly; ISBN 0-595-40488-X
* Scholem, Gershom; Kabbalah, Jewish Publication Society.
* Scholem, Gershom; Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism, 1941.
* Wineberg, Yosef; Lessons in Tanya: The Tanya of R. Shneur Zalman of Liadi (5 volume). Merkos L'Inyonei Chinuch, 1998. ISBN 0-8266-0546-X
* Wolfson, Elliot; Through a Speculum That Shines: Vision and Imagination in Medieval Jewish Mysticism, Princeton: Presa Princeton University, 1994.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Language, Eros Being: Kabbalistic Hermeneutics and Poetic Imagination, New York: Presa Fordham University, 2005.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Venturing Beyond: Law and Morality in Kabbalistic Mysticism, Oxford: Oxford * Presa University, 2006.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Alef, Mem, Tau: Kabbalistic Musings on Time, Truth, and Death, Berkeley: Presa University of California, 2006.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Luminal Darkness: Imaginal Gleanings From Zoharic Literature, London: Publicaţii Onworld, 2007.
* The Wisdom of The Zohar: An Anthology of Texts, 3 volume, Ed. Isaiah Tishby, traduse din ebraică de David Goldstein, The Littman Library.
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Uitandu-ma la bibliografia articolului de pe wiki vad surse gen Jewish Mysticism si ma intreb cata legatura are cu religia moaica si daca nu inclina spre asta. E doar o parere
Iertare.

[moshu]

@florinbrasov0: nu pui bine problema. Din crestinism s-au desprins 34.000 de secte, halal religie. Ce spui despre afirmatia asta? Bineinteles ca vei spune ca ortodocsii nu au avut nicio vina, ei si-au vazut de drumul si traditia lor, doar unele grupuri de oameni, de la sine putere, s-au desprins de ortodocsi, reinterpretand si reformuland undele idei crestine. Eu tind sa cred ca asa merge si in cazul Kabalei. Iudaismul, in sine, nu e vinovat si nu contine asemenea rataciri crase, ci acei oameni care l-au produs in interiorul iudaismului, mai apoi declarandu-se oficial ca fiind o miscare exteriora, insa baza si unele idei ramanand preluate din iudaism.


@maria_luisa: intrebarea ramane pusa pentru evreul cel ales. Evreule, ne spui despre Kabala pentru ca...?

[florinbrasov0]

În prealabil postat de moshu

@florinbrasov0: nu pui bine problema. Din crestinism s-au desprins 34.000 de secte, halal religie. Ce spui despre afirmatia asta? Bineinteles ca vei spune ca ortodocsii nu au avut nicio vina, ei si-au vazut de drumul si traditia lor, doar unele grupuri de oameni, de la sine putere, s-au desprins de ortodocsi, reinterpretand si reformuland undele idei crestine. Eu tind sa cred ca asa merge si in cazul Kabalei. Iudaismul, in sine, nu e vinovat si nu contine asemenea rataciri crase, ci acei oameni care l-au produs in interiorul iudaismului, mai apoi declarandu-se oficial ca fiind o miscare exteriora, insa baza si unele idei ramanand preluate din iudaism.


@maria_luisa: intrebarea ramane pusa pentru evreul cel ales. Evreule, ne spui despre Kabala pentru ca...?

Kabala se declara a nu fi religie si eu ma intrebam daca nu cumva inclina foarte mult spre iudaism.

[Evreulcelales]

În prealabil postat de florinbrasov0

* Bodoff, Lippman; Jewish Mysticism: Medieval Roots, Contemporary Dangers and Prospective Challenges; Jurnalul Edah 2003 3.1 [1]
* Dan, Joseph; The Early Jewish Mysticism, Tel Aviv: MOD Books, 1993.
* Dan, Joseph; The Heart and the Fountain: An Anthology of Jewish Mystical Experiences, New York: Presa de la Oxford University, 2002.
* Dan, Joseph; Samael, Lilith, and the Concept of Evil in Early Kabbalah, AJS Review, vol. 5, 1980.
* Dan, Joseph; The ‘Unique Cherub’ Circle, Tübingen: J.C.B. Mohr, 1999.
* Dan, J. and Kiener, R.; The Early Kabbalah, Mahwah, N.J.: Paulist Press, 1986.
* Dennis, G.; The Encyclopedia of Jewish Myth, Magic, and Mysticism, St. Paul: Llewellyn Wordwide, 2007.
* Fine, Lawrence, ed. Essential Papers in Kabbalah, New York: Presa NYU, 1995.
* Fine, Lawrence; Physician of the Soul, Healer of the Cosmos: Isaac Luria and his Kabbalistic Fellowship, Stanford: Presa Stanford University, 2003.
* Fine, Lawrence; Safed Spirituality, Mahwah, N.J.: Presa Paulist, 1989.
* Fine, Lawrence, ed., Judaism in Practice, Princeton N.J.: Princeton University Presa, 2001.
* Green, Arthur; EHYEH: A Kabbalah for Tomorrow. Woodstock: Publicaţia Jewish Lights, 2003.
* Hecker, Joel; Mystical Bodies, Mystical Meals: Eating and Embodiment in Medieval Kabbalah. Detroit: Presa Wayne State University, 2005.
* Idel, Moshe; Kabbalah: New Perspectives. New Haven and London: Presa de la Yale University, 1988.
* Idel, Moshe; The Golem: Jewish Magical and Mystical Traditions on the Artificial Anthropoid, New York: Presa SUNY, 1990.
* Idel, Moshe; Hasidism: Between Ecstasy and Magic, New York: Presa SUNY, 1995.
* Idel, Moshe; Kabbalistic Prayer and Color, Approaches to Judaism in Medieval Times, D. Blumenthal, ed., Chicago: Presa Şcolarului, 1985.
* Idel, Moshe; The Mystica Experience in Abraham Abulafia, New York, Presa SUNY, 1988.
* Idel, Moshe; Kabbalah: New Perspectives, New Haven, Presa Yale, 1988.
* Idel, Moshe; Magic and Kabbalah in the ‘Book of the Responding Entity’; Lecturile VI ale lui Solomon Goldman, Chicago: Presa Spertus College of Judaica, 1993.
* Idel, Moshe; The Story of Rabbi Joseph della Reina; Behayahu, Studii şi texte despre istoria Comunităţii iudaice din Safed.
* Aryeh Kaplan|Kaplan, Aryeh; Inner Space: Introduction to Kabbalah, Meditation and Prophecy. Moznaim Publishing Corp 1990.
* John W. McGinley; 'The Written' as the Vocation of Conceiving Jewishly; ISBN 0-595-40488-X
* Scholem, Gershom; Kabbalah, Jewish Publication Society.
* Scholem, Gershom; Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism, 1941.
* Wineberg, Yosef; Lessons in Tanya: The Tanya of R. Shneur Zalman of Liadi (5 volume). Merkos L'Inyonei Chinuch, 1998. ISBN 0-8266-0546-X
* Wolfson, Elliot; Through a Speculum That Shines: Vision and Imagination in Medieval Jewish Mysticism, Princeton: Presa Princeton University, 1994.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Language, Eros Being: Kabbalistic Hermeneutics and Poetic Imagination, New York: Presa Fordham University, 2005.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Venturing Beyond: Law and Morality in Kabbalistic Mysticism, Oxford: Oxford * Presa University, 2006.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Alef, Mem, Tau: Kabbalistic Musings on Time, Truth, and Death, Berkeley: Presa University of California, 2006.
* Wolfson, Elliot; Luminal Darkness: Imaginal Gleanings From Zoharic Literature, London: Publicaţii Onworld, 2007.
* The Wisdom of The Zohar: An Anthology of Texts, 3 volume, Ed. Isaiah Tishby, traduse din ebraică de David Goldstein, The Littman Library.
---------------
Uitandu-ma la bibliografia articolului de pe wiki vad surse gen Jewish Mysticism si ma intreb cata legatura are cu religia moaica si daca nu inclina spre asta. E doar o parere
Iertare.

Kabalaua se bazeaza pe VT care este primit si de crestini. Se cauta intentii,taine si coduri secrete care se cred ascunse in texte. Paralel cu asta se discuta si se cerceteaza filosofic cele scrise. Inca o data: Kabalaua nu face parte din religia Mozaica/Judaism,cartile nu sunt sfinte la evrei sinu este amintita in textele VT. Nu as gresi daca as scrie ca Kabalaua face parte din cultura lumii. Kabalaua nu este o secta si nu cere de la oameni sa treaca de la o religie la alta. Bineinteles ca este mai bine inteleasa de cei care cunosc VT, in special in textul original.

[florinbrasov0]

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