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Nu se prezinta nimeni, ci Hristos revine si rasplateste. Nu mai vorbesc de faptul ca ceea ce prezentati dvs. seamana mai mult a SF de groaza (suflete/spirite damnate perpetuu). Sper ca nu veti incerca sa argumentati asa ceva cu Sfanta Scriptura. Sa intram pe concret, pe inteles. Cine este fiara? Intreb asta ca sa nu se para ca se discuta despre persoanaje imaginare si pentru ca totul sa fie mai usor de priceput. |
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Imparatul Nero.
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Argumente? Sunt 10 sau 11 caracteristici ale fiarei, prezentate in Sfanta Scriptura. Aratati cum se potrivesc imparatului Nero.
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Despre Fiara apocaliptica in viziunea doamnei Ellen G. White s-a mai discutat pe forum si interpretarea ei, toate acele sageti ale dansei indreptate spre Papalitate si nu numai. Sunteti de acord cu ea sau nu? ca sa nu lungim discutia inutil.
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P.S. Referirile (mai mult sau mai putin rautacioase) la diferite persoane, nu-si au rostul. Eu nu sunt de acord cu Ellen White pentru ca nu am citit comentariile ei despre subiectul identificarii fiarei. Haideti sa ramanem la Sfanta Scriptura. |
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din respect pentru bunul mers al acestui forum instructiv, haideti sa nu purtam discutii off-topic, sunt topice pentru fiecare subiect, pe acesta se discuta despre "focul iadului", de exemplu eu as aduce in discutie urmatorul aspect: ce anume va arde in acest foc al iadului? concret.
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Ce conteza cine sunt. Sunt "barzilai".
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2. Nu voi spune eu cine este fiara. Va trebui sa o faca cel care a vorbea despre fiara. Adica, domnul "Mihnea Dragomir". De la el sa asteptati raspunsul. Doar vorbeste despre ce cunoaste. Dar, ca as fi de acord, nici pe atat nu pot spune. |
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In Rev. 13:5-8, the Beast was given a mouth speaking in blasphemies against God and His Name. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior".[24] In verse 4, the Beast is worshiped by the world alongside the Dragon that gave it authority. Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship – they were the only two who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo. Revelation 13:7 speaks of the power given to the beast to make war with the saints. Nero was the first of the imperial authorities to persecute Christianity. Tacitus records the scene in Rome when the persecution of Christians (or Chrestians[25]) broke out: "And their death was aggravated with mockeries, insomuch that, wrapped in the hides of wild beasts, they were torn to pieces by dogs, or fastened to crosses to be set on fire, that when the darkness fell they might be burned to illuminate the night".[26] Revelation 13:5 says the beast would continue for 42 months. The Neronic persecution was instituted in 64 AD and lasted until his death in June 68 AD, which is three and a half years, or 42 months. Nero was even called the Beast. Apollonius of Tyana specifically states that Nero was called a 'beast': "In my travels, which have been wider than ever man yet accomplished, I have seen man, many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs. ... And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero has gorged himself on this diet".[26] The manner of Nero’s death corresponds with the prophecy of Revelation 13: 10 : "If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if any one kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed". According to Tertullian, Nero was the first to assail the Christian sect with the imperial sword. He committed suicide by the sword at the age of 30. After Nero's death in 68 AD, Rome saw a succession of short-lived emperors (Galba, Otho and Vitellius) and a year of civil wars until Vespasian eventually took control in 69 AD. The Roman Empire destabilized so greatly that Tacitus reported: "Many believed the end of the empire was at hand" (Histories 4: 5:4) According to Suetonius, to the surprise of the world, "the empire which for a long time had been unsettled and, as it were, drifting through the usurpation and violent death of three emperors, was at last taken in and given stability by the Flavian family" (Vespasian 1: 1). This may be a reference to the mortal wound on one of the heads of the Beast "inflicted by the sword" which was later healed (Rev. 13:3, Rev. 13: 14).[27] Scholar Daniel K. Wong wrote that the "healing of the wound" alludes to the so-called Nero Redivivus Legend or the "revival of Nero” myth. A rumor that Nero had just disappeared to Parthia and would one day reappear[28] Finally, the readers of Revelation were told to "calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six" (Rev. 13:18). John did not expect that his readers "who had understanding" to have any difficulty identifying the beast, since they could simply calculate the meaning of this number. "Neron Kaisar" (the Greek rendering, documented by archaeological finds), when transliterated into Hebrew נרון קסר (Nrwn Qsr) had a number of 666. The variant number 616 found in some manuscripts of the Greek text of Revelation may represent the alternative Hebrew spelling נרו קסר (Nrw Qsr) based on the Latin form "Nero Caesar". The variant probably existed to keep consistent the meaning of Nero as the Beast.[29] Last edited by MihaiG; 05.05.2012 at 16:34:11. |
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