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Legat de acele canoane, observ ca nu ai citit ce am scris, ca e vorba de canoanele de spovedanie, impartasanie. Nu au legatura cu invatatura Bisericii sau cu canoanele Ei, pe care toti le respectau. Citat:
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Si eu am devenit credincios citind Sfanta Sciptura. Doar ca o talcuim doar prin prisma invataturii Bisericii. |
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In Vechiul Testament erau pagani care faceau cele ale Legii, fara sa fie dintre iudei. Prin lege se intelegeau cele zece porunci, inclusiv cele despre inchinarea la Dumnezeu. Astfel, avem ca exemplu pe Melchisedec. Nici Iov nu era impreuna cu iudeii. Il gasim si pe Valaam, cel cu magarita. Si, probabil, mai erau multi. Iisus, coborandu-Se la Iad dupa Rastignire, i-a luat de acolo pe toti dreptii. Apoi ne-a trimis harul, ca sa ne putem mantui, ca scrie in Santa Scriptura ca mantuirea a venit prin har, nu prin faptele legii. Si ca nimeni nu s-a putut mantui prin faptele legii. |
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Dar stim, in schimb, ca au fost doi oameni din afara Bisericii care s-au mantuit. Dar tot prin rugaciunea unora din Biserica, doi sfinti. E posibil sa mai fie astfel de cazuri. Asa cum au fost doia oameni care nu au murit, desi toti oamenii mor. Nu putem spune ca nu stim daca toti oamenii mor, chiar daca doi oameni nu au murit. Cam asa e si in cazul nostru. |
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E acelasi razboi, intre spiritul lui "nu stim ce va fi cu altii, nu cunoastem voia lui Dumnezeu" si spiritul lui "toti ceilalti sint hrana pentru Hades; veniti doar la noi".
Mda. Prefer prima abordare, de fapt, chiar o varianta mai radicala, pe buza prapastiei extraeclesiale, sa zic asa. Pentru bunul motiv ca e mai umana. A propos, cine deschide ochii, poat observa ca "radicalii"/acrivicii ecclesiologici sint exact acei autori invocati continu de...schismatici, de la donatisti la rascolnici si de la stilisti la nepomenitori. Nu conteaza cit de popular este un anume calugar sau preot sau episcop, sau cit de ascetica e viata pe care o duce: conteaza in primul rodul dat de fapte si scrierile sale in ceilalti oameni. "Dupa roadele lor in veti cunoaste". Ecumenismul lucid si/sau eclesiocentrismul moderat deopotriva nu au provocat tulburari in Biserica, conflicte legale si busculade cu fortele de ordine, absenteism liturgic, blasfemii la adresa Sacramentului, si multe altele. Eclesiocentrismul zelotist, da: a provocat toate acestea, de la docetisti la stilisti si mai nou la nepomenitori incoace, uni se cred indrituiti sa judece, condamne si respinga orice "infiltrare" a umanului in strictetea teologiei. Reamintesc ca strictetea teologiei a spus, cindva, la adresa Cuiva care era judecat" "Este vrednic de moarte".
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...si mai cred ca e un moment bun pentru a pune capat topicului.
Se pare ca preotii care au gilceava cu chiriarhii lor se refugiaza in "lupta antiecumenista", si se alatura clicii de activisti "acrivisti", compuse din raspopiti romani si calugari fugari greci. Acesta e un fenomen pe care, sper din toata inima, ierarhia il va dezradacina eficient, deoarece ameninta fiinta autocefaliei romane, daca este lasat, ca orice tumora maligna, sa produca metastaze. Daca va fi cazul, va fi deschis un topic separat pentru aceasta problema. Acest topic, odata ce sinaxa aia tilhareasca de calugari grecotei si rusnaci fugiti de sub ascultare a fost tinuta, si roadele ei dubioase au iesit la iveala, nu isi mai are rostul, dat fiind titlul pe care i l-a gasit fosta colega. Vom trai si vom vedea.
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Tare de tot! E bun si monahulteodot la ceva ca acolo am gasit scrisoarea asta. :)
Macar daca ar citi-o si antonia. http://www.parohiacopou.ro/arhim-epi...ea-episcopilor |
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You stipulate that we should not ask for or accept anything but Holy Scripture, but you do it in such a way as to require that we permit you to be its sole interpreter, renouncing all others. Thus the victory will be yours if we allow you to be not the steward but the lord of Holy Scripture. O critica foarte pregnanta si actuala. Citat:
(2) Here, it may be, someone will ask, Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and is in itself abundantly sufficient, what need is there to join to it the interpretation of the Church? The answer is that because of the very depth of Scripture all men do not place one identical interpretation upon it. The statements of the same writer are explained by different men in different ways, so much so that it seems almost possible to extract from it as many opinions as there are men. Novatian expounds in one way, Sabellius in another, Donatus in another, Arius, Eunomius and Macedonius in another, Photinus, Apollinaris and Priscillian in another, Jovinian, Pelagius and Caelestius in another, and latterly Nestorius in another. Therefore, because of the intricacies of error, which is so multiform, there is great need for the laying down of a rule for the exposition of Prophets and Apostles in accordance with the standard of the interpretation of the Church Catholic. (3) Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly 'Catholic,' as is shown by the very force and meaning of the word, which comprehends everything almost universally. We shall hold to this rule if we follow universality [i.e. oecumenicity], antiquity, and consent. We shall follow universality if we acknowledge that one Faith to be true which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is clear that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed; consent, if in antiquity itself we keep following the definitions and opinions of all, or certainly nearly all, bishops and doctors alike. (4) What then will the Catholic Christian do, if a small part of the Church has cut itself off from the communion of the universal Faith? The answer is sure. He will prefer the healthiness of the whole body to the morbid and corrupt limb. But what if some novel contagion try to infect the whole Church, and not merely a tiny part of it? Then he will take care to cleave to antiquity, which cannot now be led astray by any deceit of novelty. What if in antiquity itself two or three men, or it may be a city, or even a whole province be detected in error? Then he will take the greatest care to prefer the decrees of the ancient General Councils, if there are such, to the irresponsible ignorance of a few men. But what if some error arises regarding which nothing of this sort is to be found? Then he must do his best to compare the opinions of the Fathers and inquire their meaning, provided always that, though they belonged to diverse times and places, they yet continued in the faith and communion of the one Catholic Church; and let them be teachers approved and outstanding. And whatever he shall find to have been held, approved and taught, not by one or two only but by all equally and with one consent, openly, frequently, and persistently, let him take this as to be held by him without the slightest hesitation. Sf. Vincentiu din Lerins, Commitoriumul, capitolul IV
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