|
#1
|
||||
|
||||
Dovezi din primele secole -Sfanta Impartasanie reala
din pacate,e in engleza. THE DIDACHE (60)
The Didache or "The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles" is a manuscript which was used by 2nd century bishops and priests for the instruction of catechumens. Many early Christian writers have referenced it making this document relatively easy to date. "Let no one eat and drink of your Eucharist but those baptized in the name of the Lord; to this, too the saying of the Lord is applicable: 'Do not give to dogs what is sacred'". -Ch. 9:5 -Ch 14 St. Clement (80) was the third successor of Peter as Bishop of Rome; otherwise known as the third Pope. "Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours. He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations, in order that all things may be done piously according to His good pleasure, and be acceptable to His will. So then those who offer their oblations at the appointed seasons are acceptable and blessed, but they follow the laws of the Master and do not sin. For to the high priest his proper ministrations are allotted, and to the priests the proper place has been appointed, and on Levites their proper services have been imposed. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity." Source: St. Clement, bishop of Rome, 80 A.D., to the Corinthians Source: Letter to the Corinthians, [44,4] St. Ignatius(110) became the third bishop of Antioch, succeeding St. Evodius, who was the immediate successor of St. Peter. He heard St. John preach when he was a boy and knew St. Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna. Seven of his letters written to various Christian communities have been preserved. Eventually, he received the martyr's crown as he was thrown to wild beasts in the arena. "Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us.[…]They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead." "Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D. -"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D. -"Letter to the Romans", paragraph 7, circa 80-110 A.D. -Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3:2-4:1, 110 A.D. St. Justin Martyr(148) was born a pagan but converted to Christianity after studying philosophy. He was a prolific writer and many Church scholars consider him the greatest apologist or defender of the faith from the 2nd century. He was beheaded with six of his companions some time between 163 and 167 A.D. "This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus." "First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155. -"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10] ST. IRENAEUS OF LYONS (180) St. Irenaeus succeeded St. Pothinus to become the second bishop of Lyons in 177 A.D. Earlier in his life he studied under St. Polycarp. Considered, one of the greatest theologians of the 2nd century, St. Irenaeus is best known for refuting the Gnostic heresies. [Christ] has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own Blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own Body, from which he gives increase to our bodies." Source: St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, 180 A.D.: -"Five Books on the Unmasking and Refutation of the Falsely "For just as the bread which comes from the earth, having received the invocation of God, is no longer ordinary bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly, so our bodies, having received the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, because they have the hope of the resurrection." -"Five Books on the Unmasking and Refutation of the Falsely named Gnosis". Book 4:18 4-5, circa 180 A.D.
__________________
"Viata nu este nimic altceva decat un sir de apropieri si departari de Dumnezeu" - Pr. Emilianos Simonopetritul |
#2
|
||||
|
||||
ST. CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA (200)
St. Clement of Alexandria studied under Pantaenus. He later succeeded him as the director of the school of catechumens in Alexandria, Egypt around the year 200 A.D., "The Blood of the Lord, indeed, is twofold. There is His corporeal Blood, by which we are redeemed from corruption; and His spiritual Blood, that with which we are anointed. That is to say, to drink the Blood of Jesus is to share in His immortality. The strength of the Word is the Spirit just as the blood is the strength of the body. Similarly, as wine is blended with water, so is the Spirit with man. The one, the Watered Wine, nourishes in faith, while the other, the Spirit, leads us on to immortality. The union of both, however, - of the drink and of the Word, - is called the Eucharist, a praiseworthy and excellent gift. Those who partake of it in faith are sanctified in body and in soul. By the will of the Father, the divine mixture, man, is mystically united to the Spirit and to the Word.", -"The Instructor of the Children". [2,2,19,4] ante 202 A.D., -"The Instructor of the Children" [1,6,41,3] ante 202 A.D.. , ST. CYPRIAN OF CARTHAGE (246) St. Cyprian of Carthage converted from paganism to Christianity around the year 246 A.D. Soon afterwards, he aspired to the priesthood and eventually was ordained Bishop of Carthage. He was beheaded for his Faith in the year 258 A.D., thus he was the first African bishop to have been martyred., "So too the the sacred meaning of the Pasch lies essentially in the fact, laid down in Exodus, that the lamb - slain as a type of Christ - should be eaten in one single home. God says the words: 'In one house shall it be eaten, ye shall not cast its flesh outside.' The flesh of Christ and the Lord's sacred body cannot be cast outside, nor have believers any other home but the one Church.", -"The Unity of the Universal Church". Ch.8, circa 249-258 A.D., "Listen to what happened in my presence, before my very eyes. There was a baby girl, whose parents had fled and had, in their fear, rather improvidently lift it in the charge of its nurse. The nurse took the helpless child to the magistrates. There, before the idol where the crowds were flocking, as it was too young to eat the flesh, they gave it some bread dipped in what was left of the wine offered by those who had already doomed themselves. Later, the mother recovered her child. But the girl could not reveal or tell the wicked thing that had been done, any more than she had been able to understand or ward it off before. Thus, when the mother brought her in with her while we were offering the Sacrifice, it was through ignorance that this mischance occurred. But the infant, in the midst of the faithful, resenting the prayer and the offering we were making, began to cry convulsively, struggling and tossing in a veritable brain-storm, and for all its tender age and simplicity of soul, was confessing, as if under torture, in every way it could, its consciousness of the misdeed. Moreover, when the sacred rites were completed and the deacon began ministering to those present, when its turn came to receive, it turned its little head away as if sensing the divine presence, it closed its mouth, held its lips tight, and refused to drink from the chalice. The deacon persisted and, in spite of its opposition, poured in some of the consecrated chalice. There followed choking and vomiting. The Eucharist could not remain in a body or mouth that was defiled; the drink which had been sanctified by Our Lord's blood returned from the polluted stomach. So great is the power of the Lord, and so great His majesty!", -"The Lapsed" Ch. 25, circa 249-258 A.D., -"The Lapsed" Ch. 26, circa 249-258 A.D., Source: St. Cyprian of Carthage, the Lord's Prayer, 252 A.D., chapter 18:, SERAPION "'Holy, holy, holy Lord Sabaoth, heaven and earth is full of Your glory.' Heaven is full, and full is the earth with your magnificent glory, Lord of Virtues. Full also is this Sacrifice, with your strength and your communion; for to You we offer this living Sacrifice, this unbloody oblation., To you we offer this bread, the likeness of the Body of the Only-begotten. This bread is the likeness of His holy Body because the Lord Jesus Christ, on the night on which He was betrayed, took bread and broke and gave to His disciples, saying, 'Take and eat, this is My Body, which is being broken for you, unto the remission of sins.' On this account too do we offer the Bread, to bring ourselves into the likeness of His death; and we pray: Reconcile us all, O God of truth, and be gracious to us. And just as this Bread was scattered over the mountains and when collected was made one, so too gather Your holy Church from every nation and every country and every city and village and house and make it one living Catholic Church., We offer also the cup, the likeness of His Blood, because the Lord Jesus Christ took the cup after He had eaten, and He said to His disciples, 'Take, drink, this is the new covenant, which is My Blood which is being poured out for you unto the remission of sins.' For this reason too we offer the chalice, to benefit ourselves by the likeness of His Blood. O God of truth, may Your Holy Logos come upon this Bread, that the Bread may become the Body of the Logos, and on this Cup, that the Cup may become the Blood of the Truth. And make all who communicate receive the remedy of life, to cure every illness and to strengthen every progress and virtue; not unto condemnation, O God of truth, nor unto disgrace and reproach!, For we invoke You, the Increate, through Your Only-begotten in the Holy Spirit. Be merciful to this people, sent for the destruction of evil and for the security of Your Church. We beseech You also on behalf of all the departed, of whom also this is the commemoration: - after the mentioning of their names: - Sanctify these souls, for You know them all; sanctify all who have fallen asleep in the Lord and count them among the ranks of Your saints and give them a place and abode in your kingdom. Accept also the thanksgiving of Your people and bless those who offer the oblations and the Thanksgivings, and bestow health and integrity and festivity and every progress of soul and body on the whole of this Your people through your Only-begotten Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit, as it was and is and will be in generations of generations and unto the whole expanse of the ages of ages. Amen.", -"The Sacramentary of Serapion, Prayer of the Eucharistic Sacrifice" [13], "I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word, be urgent in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths." (2 Tim 4:1-4)
__________________
"Viata nu este nimic altceva decat un sir de apropieri si departari de Dumnezeu" - Pr. Emilianos Simonopetritul |
#3
|
||||
|
||||
De mare ajutor ai fi daca ai posta in limba romana.
|
#4
|
||||
|
||||
E tiparita in limba romana in colectia "Parinti si Scriitori Bisericesti" (PSB), volumul 1, mi se pare.
Daca il are cineva in format pdf, il poate posta aici ca atasament. |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
Traducerea
anul 60-Didahia celor 12 Apostoli-„În biserică să-ți mărturisești păcatele tale și să nu te duci la rugăciune cu conștiința rea“ (IV, 14, p.29).
Nimeni să nu mănânce, nici să bea din Euharistia voastră, ci acei care au fost botezați în numele Domnului. Căci cu privire la aceasta, a spus Domnul: «Nu dați ceea ce este sfânt câinilor»“ -Prezenta reala a lui Hristos in Sfanta Impartasanie(transformarea painii si a vinului). anul 80-Sfantul Clement (al treilea successor al Sf Apostol Petru) "Domnul ne-a ordonat sa aducem jertfe si servicii,la anumite ore fixe”. -Scrisoare Corintenilor anul 110-Sfantul Ignatie(arhiepiscopul bisericii care i-a trimis pe Pavel si Varnava in prima lor calatorie misionara,martir): [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ioana/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]"Dar sa ne referim la eterodocsii(n.a:dovada existentei Bisericii Ortodoxe in primul secol;inca din anul 33) care au o opinie diferita despre harul lui Hristos care a venit asupra noastra,cat de mult se impotriveste aceasta voii lui Dumnezeu.Ei se abtin de la Sfanta Impartasanie si de la rugaciune,pentru ca marturisesc ca Impartasania nu ar fi Trupul Mantuitorului nostru Iisus Hristos,Care a patimit pentru pacatele noastre,si pe care Tatal,in bunatatea Sa,L-a ridicat din nou...De aceea este bine ca fiecare sa se tina departe de asemenea oameni(n.a: adica de fondatori)...si sa ia aminte la Evanghelie,in care ni s-a revelat patima ,iar Invierea a fost pe deplin dovedita". "Scrisoare catre Smyrnaeans", paragraf 6. circa 80-110 A.D "[…]sa frangem o Paine,care e medicamentul nemuririi si antidot impotriva mortii, care ne face sa incepem sa traim,pentru totdeauna,in Hristos. -"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D. -"Letter to the Romans", paragraph 7, circa 80-110 A.D. -Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3:2-4:1, 110 A.D. "Noi nu primim acestea ca paine normala si vin normal;ci ca pe Iisus Hristos,Mantuitorul nostru,incarnat prin Cuvantul lui Dumnezeu,care a luat carne si sange pentru mantuirea noastra,deci am crezut dintotdeauna ca mancarea consacrata de Cuvantul rugaciunii,care vine de la El,din care carnea si sangele nostrum sunt hranite si transformate,este carnea si sangele a acelui Iisus intrupat. “ "First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155. anul 180-Sfantul Irineu din Lyon "Painea care vine de pe pamant,prin invocarea lui Dumnezeu,nu mai e paine normala,ci Euharistie,care consta in doua realitati,pamanteasca si cereasca,deci,trupurile noastre,primind Euharistia,nu mai sunt coruptibile,pentru ca au speranta invierii.” -"Five Books on the Unmasking and Refutation of the Falsely named Gnosis". Book 4:18 4-5, circa 180 A.D. Anul 200-"Dar ce folos au aceia care cred ca painea pentru care multumim e Trupul Domnului si vinul,Sangele Lui,daca nu cred ca El e Fiul lui Dumnezeu? Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18, 2 (c. A.D. 200). Anul 200-Sfantul Clement din Alexandria " Sangele Domnului,fara indoiala,e indoit.Exista Sangele Sau trupesc,prin care suntem scapati de pacate si Sangele Lui spiritual,cel cu care suntem unsi.Aceasta inseamna ca sa bei Sangele lui Iisus inseamna sa devii,sit u,nemuritor.Puterea Cuvantului este Duhul,asa cum sangele e puterea trupului.Asa cum vinul e amestecat cu apa,Duhul e amestecat cu omul.Vinul cu apa ne hraneste in credinta,in timp ce celalalt,Duhul,ne duce la nemurire.Unirea celor doua-a bauturii si a Cuvantului-se numeste Euharistie,un dar excellent si vrednic de lauda.Cei care se impartasesc din el,cu credinta,sunt sfintiti in trup si suflet.Those who partake of it in faith are sanctified in body and in soul. Prin vointa Tatalui,dumnezeiescul amestec,omul,este,in mod misterios,unit cu Duhul si cu Cuvantul. -"The Instructor of the Children". [2,2,19,4] ante 202 A.D., -"The Instructor of the Children" [1,6,41,3] ante 202 A.D.. , "Mielul,in Iesirea,trebuia sa fie mancat intr-o singura casa.Dumnezeu spune:Intr-o casa trebuie sa fie mancat,carnea lui nu trebuie aruncata afara”.' Carnea si Sangele lui Hristos nu pot fi aruncate afara,credinciosii neavand alta casa in afara de Biserica(Ortodoxa). -"The Unity of the Universal Church". Ch.8, circa 249-258 A.D.,
__________________
"Viata nu este nimic altceva decat un sir de apropieri si departari de Dumnezeu" - Pr. Emilianos Simonopetritul |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Extraordinare dovezi Ioana,la doar 100..200 de ani de Mantuitorul.Adica mai putin cat e de acum pana in vremea domnitorului Cuza.Se pare ca aceasta slujba primordiala a Bisericii ,s-a format foarte rapid in felul in care o stim noi astazi.Si chiar daca nu a aparut la fel de explicit formulata la Apostoli ,iat-o la anul 100..140 deja formata.
Ce pacat ca protestantii vor zice ca sunt ori document false,ori adevarate dar aceia care ii numim noi sfinti erau doar niste rataciti,si ratacirea patrunsese deja in Biserica lui Hristos.Deci conceptia lor e ca din anul 100 (iata!) pana in anul 1600 Biserica a fost intr-o mare ratacire ,caci nu a respectat strict Biblia,si a adaugat invataturi care nu sunt explicit in NT(desi importanta cinei crestine se regaseste si la ap Pavel) Orcum foarte utile aceste extrase din istoria foarte timpurie pentru cei ce cred. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Lucrurile nu sunt asa de simple.
Ebionitii care considerau ca sacrificiul animal si cultul singelui era un adaos mincinos la VT, un fals, au facut dintotdeauna impartasania cu APA ! ! ! si au considerat impreuna cu Iacob Apostolul cel Drept a lui Hristos ca Mintuitorul a venit sa desfiinteze acest sacrificu animal asa cum de altfel a si facut-o! Ca urmare Iacob si altii care au ramas in Ierusalim si urmau cu sfintenie reguile iudaice, circumcizia, regulile kosher-ului si altele se impartaseau cu apa conform scripturii despre Iisus a ebionitilor(Panarion 30.16.5), "Am venit sa distrug sacrificiile" Cele de mai sus sunt in asentimentul crestinilor deoarece absolut toate sunt in spiritul exclusiv al Sf Pavel care de unul singur fara paostoli a instaurat Impartasania cu VIN si piine nu apa si piine asa cum ar fi trebuit sa fie conform ideii de eliminare a sacrificiului de SINGE!Omiliile 11.15). De aici de la acest conflict de mincare a resturilor ofertelor catre idoli unde Pavel anunta comunitatea ca este permis sa se manince (Romani 14 si Corinteni 8-10) este enuntat decretul Apostolic impotriva lui Pavel...si frictiunile care au urmat. Acesta este alt subiect delicat care ar trebui ridicat la urmatorul sinod ecumenic. De ce dam sugarilor alcool? ...si incalcam legile tarilor civilizate dind pruncilor si copiiilor mici sa bea vin? |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Citat:
(eu nu am gasit pana azi nici macar un Molitfelnic online, dar'mite altele..) Da un link, te rog, sa citim si noi despre ce este vorba. (Panarion = scrierere impotriva EREZIILOR din primele trei secole dupa Hristos.. deci este foarte important sa mergem la sursa) 2. spui "Omiliile 11.15"... Omiliile cui? Da un link, daca ai! 3. Te contrazici in idei: tu ai sustinut ca Sf. Euharistie nu este cu adevarat Sf. Trup si Sange (da cel cu globule rosii) al Mantuitorului, ci doar un fel de corp astral?!! sper ca tin bine minte (la nevoie caut postarea ta). Deci unde jertfa daca tu nu crezi ca acolo este Sange, ci crezi ca este doar un simbol? Din perspectiva ta este doar vin, asa ca nu vad de ce faci referire la eliminarea sacrificiului de sange! |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Într-adevăr un subiect delicat pe care ai avut curajul să-l abordezi. Dacă s-ar fi păstrat modelul instituit de Hristos la Cina cea de Taină, se evitau aceste conflicte ce nici astăzi nu s-au stins (vezi controversa pâine sau azimă). Hristos a dat discipolilor săi "rodul viței" în pahar, și nu alcool. Cel mai potrivit simbol pentru Trupul Său strivit asemenea strugurilor din care a curs sfântul Său sânge curat, nealterat de fermentul păcatului.
|
|
Subiecte asemănătoare | ||||
Subiect | Subiect început de | Forum | Răspunsuri | Ultimele Postari |
Vinul pentru Sfanta Impartasanie | Florin-Ionut | Impartasania (Taina Euharistiei) | 26 | 01.06.2012 16:00:40 |
Sfanta Impartasanie din lingurite de unica folosinta... | alexmatei | Stiri, actualitati, anunturi | 2 | 25.02.2012 08:10:28 |
Sfanta Impartasanie | stefan2010 | Impartasania (Taina Euharistiei) | 15 | 30.06.2010 11:42:35 |
Sfanta Impartasanie | iloveyoupuiu | Intrebari utilizatori | 2 | 08.03.2010 17:34:37 |
|