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Nu fa greseala sa ii consideri asa.
Zoghby in Tous Schismatique, a considerat prin acordurile prin care s-au infiintat majoritatea Bisericile Unite o greseala, si scaunele ortodoxe adevaratele mostenitoare ale crestinismului rasaritean local. Citat:
Din punct de vedere catolic, "limitele impuse " inseamna practic, cam nici o limita. Dar melkitii isi apara cu stasnicie drepturile, chiar si in forma limitata a Florentei, drept pentru care au intrat si in belele cu Vaticanul in unele momente, pentru ca au refuzat sa acepte nazurile Romei. Patriarch Gregory refused to sign the Council's dogmatic declaration on papal infallibility. He and the seven other Melkite bishops present voted non placet at the general congregation and left Rome prior to the adoption of the dogmatic constitution Pastor Aeternus on papal infallibility.[23] Other members of the anti-infallibilist minority, both from the Latin church and from other Eastern Catholic churches, also left the city.[23] After the First Vatican Council concluded an emissary of the Roman Curia was dispatched to secure the signatures of the patriarch and the Melkite delegation. Patriarch Gregory and the Melkite bishops subscribed to it, but with the qualifying clause of the used at the Council of Florence attached: "except the rights and privileges of Eastern patriarchs.".[21][24] He earned the enmity of Pius IX for this; during his next visit to the pontiff Gregory was cast to the floor at Pius' feet by the papal guard while the pope placed his foot on the patriarch's head. Ouch, cum ar spune englezii. Dar nu este singura figura pe care au facut-o melkitii in sinoadele catolice. At Session I of the Council(Vatican I), Maximos's electrifying opening speech on October 23, 1962, set the tone for the Melkite onslaught on the one-sided, Latin vision of the Church. He refused to speak in Latin, the language of the Latin Church, but not, he insisted, of the Catholic Church nor of his. He refused to follow protocol and address "Their Eminences", the cardinals, before "Their Beatitudes", the Eastern patriarchs, for in his ecclesiology patriarchs, the heads of local Churches, did not take second place to cardinals, who were but second-rank dignitaries of one such communion, the Latin Church. He also urged the West to allow the vernacular in the liturgy, following the lead of the East, "where every language is, in effect, liturgical". And he concluded, in true Eastern fashion, that the matter at any rate should be left to the local Churches to decide. All this in his first intervention at the first session! No wonder numerous Council Fathers, overcoming their initial surprise, hastened to congratulate him for his speech. And no wonder it hit the news. That was a language even journalists impervious to the torturous periods of "clericalese" could understand. Maximos spoke simply, clearly, directly-and he spoke in French.
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Nu eu. Ei se considera asa. Daca unii spun "suntem catolici", iar Papa spune, la randul sau "acestia sunt catolici", nu pot sa consider altfel.
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"Sub Papa" sau "cum Papa" ? Una nu exclude cealalta, iar Bisericile greco-catolice, melkita, romana, ucraineana si altele au realizat bine aceasta sinteza, care nu e greu de realizat daca se pleaca de la principiul augustinian "in necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas". Iar in ce priveste Ferrara-Florenta, hotararile acestui conciliu sunt normative. Catolicii recunosc si azi acest conciliu drept conciliu ecumenic si nu rejecteaza azi ce au semnat ieri. Dar, in fine, nu despre acel indepartat conciliu vorbim pe acest topic. Din cate se vede, pe acest topic unii ortodocsi contesta nu numai Florenta, ci...Creta.
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Si fapt interesant. Melkitii au si un mic joc de cuvinte referitor la denumirea lor. In araba sunt ar-Rum al-Kathilik(romano-catolic), dar al-Rum vine de la romanoi, asa cum se considerau cetatenii Imperiului Roman de Rasarit, si asa cum isi ziceau si unii greci pana acum 100 de ani, si cum era denumit miletul crestin in imperiul otoman. Interesanta combinatie culturala. Citat:
Patriarhul curent a zis ca si "garda" actuala subscrie la ideile lui Zoghby. Citat:
Aceasta eclesiologie este ceea ce Papa Benedict s-a referit la un moment dat, ceea ce comisia mixta incearca sa redescopere, si ce ortodocsi si catolicii au cazut de acord asta toamna, la Chieti. p.s. Asta e sursa de la al doilea citat din postare anterioara. http://fatherdavidbirdosb.blogspot.r...atican-ii.html Citat:
New advent mi-a impartasit acest mic detaliu. Iar unii nu tac pana in ziua de azi despre Vatican II, desi acepta scrasnind din dinti hotararile lor, si incearca sa rectifice ce s-a intamplat acolo.
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P.S. Pentru liniștea ta, Sf. Isaac Sirul nu a fost nestorian. |
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Dar melkitii le accepta. Ei sunt, cu toate particularitatile lor, cu toata autonomia lor, o provincie de rang patriarhal a Bisericii Universale a lui Cristos. Iata o scrisoare relativ recenta, pe care actualul patriarh al Bisericii Melkite din zilele noastre i-o trimite actualului Papa: Most Holy Father This letter comes to you on Good Friday, called Great and Holy in our Eastern tradition, while you are celebrating the first Way of the Cross of your pontificate, as Bishop of the Church of Rome that presides in charity! I am writing this letter in Damascus, whilst experiencing a harsh, bloody, painful, long Way of the Cross stretching over all Syria’s roads and that all Syrians have been experiencing and living for more than two years now! Like Jesus, who fell three times under the weight of the Holy Cross, and whom Simon of Cyrene was fetched to help, we too need a Simon, and even more Jesus, to bear the Cross with us and to bring to an end without delay our harsh way of the cross, by enabling it to reach the joyful goal of the Resurrection! Holiness! You are Simon, you are Jesus’ Vicar! We turn to you as we need your help! Syria is imploring you! All our faithful, indeed all Syrian citizens are counting on Your Holiness, expecting an initiative from Your Holiness, the Vatican, the Catholic Church, the world’s billion and a quarter Catholics! an initiative that would set out a roadmap to bring the crisis to an end, stop the build-up of weapons, violence, terror, hostage-taking, ransoms, chaos and death!.. Scrisoare, publicata in intregime pe acest sit oficial al Bisericii Melkite ne arata clar ca patriarhul melkit, scriind in numele si pentru Biserica sa, crede ca vicarul lui Cristos se numeste, astazi, Francisc. Si, prin aceasta, arata ca melkitii sunt catolici, la fel de catolici precum sunt catolicii din orice Biserica Particulara din lume, doar ca ei sunt cei mai incercati de rautatile istoriei care isi face de cap, uitand cine este Domnul vizibilelor si invizibilelor.
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Si cum le-au acceptat Fraternitatea Saint Pius X (SSPX) ?
Sau sedevacantistii?
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Vulcanescu turbeaza, probabil!
Deo gratias! La Sinodul grecilor s-o hotarit popularizarea si catehizarea pleromei pe tema Sinodului din Creta. Fain. Inseamna ca gasca nepomenitorilor de la ei (si prin inductie, si cei de la noi, anume tumoarea de la Radeni) au primit un sut in cur.
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Daca sint corectate/eliminate acele articole care sint irenist de echivoce, atunci este ok. Sinodul in sine, cu aceste mici dubii/exceptii, este ortodox. Si e foarte bine ca s-a dat peste nas nepomenitorilor.
Tumoarea de la Radeni poate fi excizata numai prin metode care imbina catehizarea "la singe" a masselor cu masuri administrativ-punitive asupra schismaticilor si instigatorilor. Bine au facut ca le dadura pe maicile acelea fanatice de la Varatec afara!
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Pai sedevacantistii sint omologii catolici ai adunaturii de la Radeni sau Banceni. Daca ii stii pe astia de la noi, intelegi cum functioneaza si ticneala alorlalti.
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