Acatistul Maicii Domnului în pictura murala

[Fani71]

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would you please provide me information how can i contact this person?

The person I wrote you about is Dr Ioana Iancovescu.

She works also at the National Museum of Art
http://www.mnar.arts.ro/EN_conservation.php

Perhaps you can find out more about her work (if it is what you are looking for or not) on the internet or writing there.

Good luck!

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thank you very much

[andreicozia]

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please help me to clarify some information on the pictoral cycles of the Akathistos Hymn for the Virgin in the Romanian monumental painting.

1. Is there Akathistos cycle in the St.Nikolaos church in Curtea de Argeş, in the St. Demetrios church in Suceava and in Stăneşti?
2. Was the Akathistos cycle from Părhăuţi ever published ?

Personally, I have a hard time immagining what you are trying to say , what Acathist included in the frescoes? I've worked on frescoes and mosaics in Romanian churches and abroad but I've never seen the represented iconography follow any other rules but the ones set-out by the Erminia . The interiors of the churches that were listed by you, do indeed have a limited number of scenes that contain the life of the Mother of God, but to imply that they are part of a succesion of scenes described in the Acathist would be a bit to much.

Thie thesis must have a poetic origin...which I guess it could be accepted as literature, it sounds uplifting on paper..., but, let's face it, it has no real back-up

[nazzik]

2andreicozia,
thank you for your reply and i am very sory my message made you "hard time immagining" but i have to to ask you more questions :)

You wrote: "The interiors of the churches that were listed by you, do indeed have a limited number of scenes that contain the life of the Mother of God, but to imply that they are part of a succesion of scenes described in the Acathist would be a bit to much." Did you mean all the churches I have mentioned, including Părhăuţi ? Are you sure there is no Akathitos cycle in the interior of Părhăuţi? Have you been there? May be you can provide some photos from pronaos of Părhăuţi?

If any part of this message does not make any sense to you, please point it out directly and i will made my best to clarify what i am trinig to say. Thank you once more.

[Fani71]

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Personally, I have a hard time immagining what you are trying to say , what Acathist included in the frescoes? I've worked on frescoes and mosaics in Romanian churches and abroad but I've never seen the represented iconography follow any other rules but the ones set-out by the Erminia . The interiors of the churches that were listed by you, do indeed have a limited number of scenes that contain the life of the Mother of God, but to imply that they are part of a succesion of scenes described in the Acathist would be a bit to much.

Thie thesis must have a poetic origin...which I guess it could be accepted as literature, it sounds uplifting on paper..., but, let's face it, it has no real back-up

I am sure there are such icons. It is a cycle representing the Acatist - it is not well known, it is true.

[andreicozia]

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I am sure there are such icons. It is a cycle representing the Acatist - it is not well known, it is true.

Inteleg ce spui Fani, da exista icoane superbe care urmaresc sa zicem, pagina cu pagina un acatist sau paraclis prin micile icoane marginale sau chiar interioare asa cum am vazut la rusi , insa Titlul tezei de doctorat se refera la pictura MURALA, pe perete, nu de icoane individuale.
Pe pereti te asigur ca nu exista nicaieri asa ceva

[nazzik]

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Inteleg ce spui Fani, da exista icoane superbe care urmaresc sa zicem, pagina cu pagina un acatist sau paraclis prin micile icoane marginale sau chiar interioare asa cum am vazut la rusi , insa Titlul tezei de doctorat se refera la pictura MURALA, pe perete, nu de icoane individuale.
Pe pereti te asigur ca nu exista nicaieri asa ceva

at last i understood what have you misuderstood )

May i sugest you some basic reading:
Pätzold А. Der Akathistos-Hymnos: Die Bilderzyklen in der byzantinischen Wandmalerei des 14. Jahrhunderts. – Stuttgart, 1989.
Spatharakis I. The Pictoral Cycles of the Akathistos Hymn for the Virgin. – Leiden, 2005.
Crăciunaş I. Acatistul Maicii Domnului în pictura exterioară din Moldova // Mitropolia Moldovei ş Sucevei. – 1972. – XLVIII. – Nr. 5 - 6. – P. 297-340, Nr. 7 - 8. – P. 297-340.

if you will still question existance of Akathistos cycles in the monumental painting just read inscriptions on such paintings from Romanian churches for examp. in Humor or Moldovitca or in Cozia.

[Fani71]

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Inteleg ce spui Fani, da exista icoane superbe care urmaresc sa zicem, pagina cu pagina un acatist sau paraclis prin micile icoane marginale sau chiar interioare asa cum am vazut la rusi , insa Titlul tezei de doctorat se refera la pictura MURALA, pe perete, nu de icoane individuale.
Pe pereti te asigur ca nu exista nicaieri asa ceva

Nu stiu de unde stii sigur, eu stiu sigur ca este. ;-) de care ziceam a studiat acest subiect in amanunt, daca nu ma insel mai ales pt manastirile din Oltenia.

[elizabeta]

If u need the information for yr PhD thesys, then documenting from the right source is essential, as u already know; and that means getting in touch with the right people - university PhDs, ministerial officials or clerical experts - either by starting correspondence with them, or by going to the site in person.
No matter how much people try to help you, the things we say might not be a reliable source of information...
...but that doesn't mean we don't try...

[andreicozia]

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Nu stiu de unde stii sigur, eu stiu sigur ca este. ;-) de care ziceam a studiat acest subiect in amanunt, daca nu ma insel mai ales pt manastirile din Oltenia.

:))) Pai normal ca nu ai de unde sa stii :) ca doar nu ne cunoastem personal, dar unii de aici ma cunosc si stiu ca eu mi-am petrecut mult timp pe schela in biserici...de acolo stiu, insa evident ca nu le stiu pe toate :)), insa daca ai un exemplu de reprezentare MURALA a unui Acatist, poate-l trimiti si spre mine, sub forma de fotografie, sau informatie din sursa serioasa nu din vorbe
Multumesc anticipat