Relativismul:toate religiile sunt bune

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Parerile unor calugari le cunosc -ele sint impartite in functie de cite li sa descoperit.
Apreciez parerile parintilor teologi (desi parinte doar lui Dumnezeu trebuie sa- i spunem- ei fiindu-ne frati doar) insa mai intii trebuie sa mi se arate in ce masura ei au fost prooroci fiindca sfintisori sint destui care au avut oarecare revelatii asa cum au avut multi mireni care nu sint prooroci.

Asta ca sa nu existe riscul sa ma incred in oameni caci "Blestemat este cel care se increde in oameni."
De ex Tertulian a avut in ultimele zile ale vietii o perioada de teze revelate , in vremea cind plecase la gnostici. Acestea intre altele dau si un raspuns in legatura cu natura divina a lui Melchisedec , nimeni dintre ceilalti nu cred ca a avut darul proorociei incit sa dea similar aceasta informatie ca sa fie introdusa in dogma asa incit dogma nu prevede nimic legat de natura Sa divina. Sau macar sa interpreteze Apocalipsa.
Deci abia in zilele nostre un preot s-a incumetat sa faca cum a crezut el o inerpretare a Apocalipsei insa nici pentru ea nu bag mina in foc ca este revelata- pina cind nu am dovezi ca este prooroc.
Nu toti cei care li se spune sfinti au darul proorociei si al cunoaterii chiar daca au moaste.
Cei care au moaste dovedesc ca au prima treapta de sfintenie si ca nu mai sint sfintisori care pot avea sau nu unele daruri, de vindecare de ex sau cel al deosebirii bazat pe nepartinire.
Cei care au si a doua treapta au cu siguranta darul proorociei si pot afla prin intutia continua sau revelatie la cerere orice doresc. Deasemenea empatia lor este desavirsita.

Cei care au a treia treapta pot face si alte minuni cum a facut sf Ilie si Moise -minuni ce tin de elementele naturii.
Cei care au a patra treapta nu doar ca pot invia mortii dar pot sa si omoare similar cum in vechime erau unii sfinti luptatori care printrun gest omorau un grup intreg de razboinici.
La a cincea treapta de sfintenie ai putere de convingere desavirsita si prin cuvint poti omori chiar si demoni.
la a sasea poti face faptele lui Iisus cele pe care altii nu le-au facut avind control sfint asupra materiei , spatiului , timpului si vietii. Deci poti face o vrabie din praf sau poti face trupul tau invizibil sau doar aparent.
La a saptea poti aduce orice urgie pe pamint si poti face si alte lucrari ingeresti pe pamint.

Inca n-ai adus citate... Doar abureli cum ca Tertulian(care din cate stiu nu a fost sfant, nu a facut nici o prorocie, a fost un simplu invatat crestin si ca urmare nu e trecut in Sinaxar) inainte de moarte ar fi filozofat ceva in legatura cu natura divina a lui Melchisedc. Pe ce baza ar fi facut aceasta? Exista versete care sa ateste aceasta. NU! Draga orice dogma trebuie sa aibe la baza suport scripturistic.

Daca nu te increzi in oameni atunci de ce marsezi pe 'dogmele nedezvaluite'(inexistente) ale calugarilor ortodocsi cu viata Sfanta?

Pana acuma o gramada 'de temerari' si-au prins urechile talcuind Apocalipsa. N-ar mira unul in plus. Si sa stii, vad ca te intereseaza subiectul, ca multi dintre acesti parinti considera 'Oculta' dar si curentul New Age, sincretismul religios ca fiind opera lui Antihrist.

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spui :Draga care e Dumnezeul ala sa credem in El. L-ai cunoscu deplin inainte ca Iisus sa-l faca cunoscut? Nu l-ai cunoscut. Doar partial.

Uite la intrebarea asta iti voi raspunde vag: L-am cunoscut si El mi L-a aratat pe Iisus pe cind nu Il cunosteam, insa nu vreau sa dau mai multe amanunte.

Tertulian nu este trecut in sinaxar fiindca a plecat la gnostici insa este unul dintre cei 3 parinti teologi.

Despre natura divina a lui Melchisedec este vreset in NT:
Epistola către Evrei
Capitolul 7
3. Fără tată, fără mamă, fără spiţă de neam, neavând nici început al zilelor, nici sfârşit al vieţii, ci, asemănat fiind Fiului lui Dumnezeu, el rămâne preot pururea. 4. Vedeţi, dar, cât de mare e acesta, căruia chiar patriarhul Avraam i-a dat zeciuială din prada de război. 5. Şi cei dintre fiii lui Levi, care primesc preoţia, au poruncă după lege, ca să ia zeciuială de la popor, adică de la fraţii lor, măcar că şi aceştia au ieşit din coapsele lui Avraam; 6. Iar Melchisedec, care nu-şi trage neamul din ei, a primit zeciuială de la Avraam şi pe Avraam, care avea făgăduinţele, l-a binecuvântat. 7. Fără de nici o îndoială, cel mai mic ia binecuvântare de la cel mai mare. 8. Şi aici iau zeciuială nişte oameni muritori, pe când dincolo, unul care e dovedit că este viu.
Intrebi: Daca nu te increzi in oameni atunci de ce marsezi pe 'dogmele nedezvaluite'(inexistente) ale calugarilor ortodocsi cu viata Sfanta?
Fiindca am aflat unele dintre ele in discutii particulare si ele se potrivesc cu VT pe cind dogma oficiala si canoanele teologilor nu in totalitate.
iar din cite stiu la inceput calugarii invata de la teologi dar in final tot teologii cauta sa fie in preajma calugarilor sporiti ca sa culeaga invatatura si intelesurile mai grele.

As avea o intrebare: cum beau yoghinii, musulmanii... Sangele lui Hristos, cum ii mananca Trupul? Cum il cunosc pe Hristos pentru ca astfel sa ajunga sa-l cunoasca pe Dumnezeu in Treime Sfant?

Cunosterea lui Hristos este nu teoretica ci doar prin desavisrirea spirituala binecuvintata cu aceeasi iubire divina -pe care unii doar o afirma iar altii o traiesc -asa incit la timpul potrivit li se descopera caci si credinta in Iisus ca orice credinta este o binecuvintare.
Daca nu cunosti fericirea desavirsirii Iisus nu locuieste decit putin in tine si deci tu nu il cunosti pe de-a intregul. mai placuti sint lui Dumnezeu cei care implinesc legea firii de la sine decit credinciosii care nu o implinesc -asta inseamna ca Iisus traieste mai mult in ei decit in cei care doar cred ca il cunosc.
Dumnezeu poate binecuvinta si oficial (prin taine institutionalizate) si neoficial. pe oricine lucreaza neprihanirea il aduce la El chiar daca la un moment dat este ateu, intro buna zi va deveni credincios daca este binecuvintat cu credinta.
spui: Draga Hristos ne avertizeaza ca, chiar daca ar veni inger din cer sa ne vesteasca alta evanghelie decat cea vestita de El sa nu-i dam crezare ba chiar ne indeamna sa-l dam anatemei.
Nu Hristos spune asta ci Pavel cu referire la fariseii care erau in stare sa faca o evanghelie falsa sa fie strecurata printre multele care existau la acea vreme -una prin care sa i se conteste divinitatea lui Iisus.
crestinatatea este doar o cunoastere "in parte" dupa cum recunostea si Pavel tocmai de aceea e loc si de mai bine ..Cercetati toate si pastrati ceea ce este bun. iar cind ai parte de o cunoastre mai bogata intelegi de la sine ca unele amanunte trebuie sa ramina in urma fiindca intelegi mult mai clar realitatile spirituale. Asa cum un om lasa lucrurile copilariei cind ajuge matur.
spui :Atunci fa bine si-l urmeaza dupa pilde si porunci, le gasesti in Biblie, si lasa aiurelie hinduse sau budiste.
Imi pare rau -nu cred ca ai dreptul sa imi spui ce sa fac atita vreme cit nu ti-am cerit sfatul , nici eu nu iti spun ce sa faci daca nu ma intrebi -daca aveam nevoie de inchizitie o cautam.
Spui ca crestinatatea este blnda si smerita --daca erai smerit nu te adresai pe acest ton.
Dupa ce imi dovedesti ca esti prooroc sau haruit cu vre-un dar de atotcunoastere abia atunci am sa ascult de tine. pina atunci sintem doar frati intru Hristos orbecaind in asteptarea Sa.

Nu am auzit pina acum de Oculta , doar de Grupul celor 300-din cei mai bogati 300 ai lumii intre care si toti regii actuali -(poate or fi aceaisi) nu vad ce ar putea sa faca ei mai mult decit a facut deja Hitler, Marx si Stalin.
iar despre new age nu ma intereseaza subiectul atita vreme cit nu este ceva unitar si reprezentativ, e o mostra prea mica din ce exista la ora actuala in lume.

Pentru cei care studiaza cu atentie profetiile proorocilor VT este imposibil sa nu isi dea seama ca unirea laolalta a tuturor popoarelor si realizarea unei singure credinte pe tot pamintul nu pote fi decit opera lui Dumnezeu si nu a muritorilor sau a celui rau care nu uneste ci doar desparte.

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Daca studiezi subiectul eschatologic o sa vezi ca razboiul care o sa fie impotriva lui Dumnezeu este pornit de tarile arabe Asiria (Iran) si restul tarilor arabe care vor strabate citeva tari pe directia rasarit asa incit cel rau acolo trebuie cautat.
Insa impotriva Ierusalimului se pare ca pornesc toate popoarele -nu neparat militar ci tot ideologic-religios, Si de ce ar porni crezind ca lupta de partea lui Dumnezeu din moment ce Dumnezeu vrea sa le piarda? deci ele fara sa stie lupta impotriva..parca ar fi farisei orbi.
Chiar da exemple incluisv dintre evrei cum unii prooroci nu stiu sa raspunda la intrebarile lui Dumnezeu dovedind ca in realitate nu sint dumnezei.
Altii cum rastalmacesc cuvintele lui Dumnezeu probabil in loc de "Avertisment" spun "Amenintare".

Stiu ca circula multe defaimari la adresa tuturror asa incit am cautat sa studiez pe cont propriu si zic ca m-am facut o imagine de ansamblu in care sa disting petele negre ce cele albe.

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My open Challenge #1:

In Deuteronomy 33:2, we see Moses peace be upon him predicting that GOD Almighty will execute His Holy Judgement in the city of Paran by 10,000 of Believers:

"And he said, The LORD came from Si'-nai, and rose up from Se'-ir unto them; he shined forth from mount Pa'-ran [Mecca in Arabic], and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (From the King James Version Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"

We also read about the same prophecy by Prophet Enoch peace be upon him:

"And Enoch [Idris in Arabic, one of Allah Almighty's Prophets peace be upon all of them to the people of Israel.] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)"

Now, according to the Islamic history, the city of Mecca (Paran) was liberated by Prophet Muhammad's 10,000-men army. The irrefutable historical proofs for this are located in this article: The story of the 10,000 Muslims who liberated Mecca (Paran) in the Bible.

Now, since these prophecies were foretold in the Bible's Old Testament, I would like to openly challenge any Jewish Rabbi or Christian Priest or Minister to answer the following question for me:

Where in the Bible do we see any Prophet executing the Judgement of GOD Almighty specifically in the city of Paran (Mecca, the city that Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael to)?

If Muhammad who liberated the city of Paran (Mecca) with 10,000 Believing Men (Saints) wasn't the one who fulfilled this Biblical Prophecy, then who was that Prophet?

Wasn't Muhammad through the Divine Religion of Islam the one who ended the idol worshiping of the 365 gods, and ended the brutal slavery and the torturing of women (burying daughters alive at the age of 4 was the pagan Arabs custom)?

Didn't Muhammad bring the Arabs from the total darkness of polytheism and evil to the Light of Worshiping the One True Living GOD Almighty and associated no partners with Him?

Wasn't Muhammad fruitful, and a true man of GOD Almighty?

Again, please visit The story of the 10,000 Muslims who liberated Mecca (Paran) in the Bible.

The proof that the city of Paran is Mecca. See the most recent archeological discoveries that prove that the desert of Paran is located in Saudi Arabia and not in Egypt's Sinai desert.



My open Challenge #2:

Prophet Isaiah peace be upon him prophesied that two leaders whom he called "Chariot" would come -- one riding a donkey, and another riding a camel:

"And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed: (From the King James Version Bible, Isaiah 21:7)"

Who are the "couple of horsemen"? They are Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them. Let us see the proof:

Jesus fulfilled the riding of the donkey prophecy: "And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, (John 12:14)"

The quote "as it is written" is referring to Isaiah 21:7. It is important to know that no where in the New Testament do we see Jesus riding any camel. No where in the New Testament do we see any fulfillment of any kind about the prophecy of riding the camel.

When we look at Muhammad peace be upon him, he rode the camel several times in his life time. The most popular event of him riding the camel is when he migrated from Mecca to Medina to escape the torture of the pagans.

Not only that, but when the Muslims in Medina wanted to build the first Islamic Mosque and the Prophet's humble Home next to it, they had conflicts among each others about the location, because each group/tribe wanted the location to be as near to them as possible. So, to avoid the conflict of "favoritism", the Prophet peace be upon him ordered for his camel to decide the location by letting it walk and settle in the place that it naturally chooses.

This wisdom from Prophet Muhammad which relied solely on his camel solved the problem.

Now, my open challenge to any Jewish Rabbi or Christian Priest or Minister is as follows:

Where in the Bible do we see the riding of the camel Prophecy being fulfilled?

Who in the Bible was the Prophet that rode the camel to fulfill the Prophecy of Isaiah 21:7? The New Testament only fulfills the riding of the donkey prophecy in John 12:14, and it claims that it only fulfilled that prophecy.

There is still a missing fulfillment of the riding of the camel in the New Testament. Why?

If Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him wasn't the one who fulfilled the remaining of Isaiah 21:7 prophecy, then who was that Prophet?

Please visit Isaiah's Vision: He saw Jesus riding a donkey and Muhammad riding a camel. He also saw the destruction of Babylon (i.e. Iraq today) and its idol gods, and replacing them with a Divine Religion (i.e. Islam today).



My open Challenge #3:

In the Old Testament, we read about GOD Almighty promising to create "Great Nations" from Ishmael, Abraham's first Son and the father of the Muslims:

Genesis 12:1-3

1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

The quote "go to the land I will show you" is referring to the city of Paran (Mecca). See the Biblical proofs here.

The quote "I will make you into a great nation" is quite interesting. How can GOD Almighty call the Muslims, who came from Ishmael, a "great nation" if they are as the modern Christians of today consider them to be "Satan's followers"? How can we be a "great nation" in the eyes of GOD Almighty if we are hated by Him?

The quote "I will bless those who bless you" perfectly fits the Muslims. As you probably know, we Muslims worship Allah Almighty by prostrating to Him. Every time we pray and prostrate, we end our prayer by sitting on our knees and say the following exact quote:

"........and bless Prophet Muhammad and the people of Prophet Muhammad, like You blessed Prophet Abraham and the people of Prophet Abraham........"

As you clearly see, we bless Prophet Abraham every single day of our lives when we pray to Allah Almighty. We also do say "peace be upon him" or "peace and blessings be upon him" when we refer to his name or any other Prophet's name.

My open challenge to any Jewish Rabbi or Christian Priest or Minister is:

How can the Muslims be cursed and considered satan followers when GOD Almighty in Genesis 12:3 blesses them because they bless Abraham?

How can the Muslims be cursed by GOD Almighty when they bow down to Him and only Him in prostration?

Yes, the Muslims are the "great nation" that GOD Almighty talked about, they are blessed by Him because they worship non but Him, and they bless Abraham everyday in their Prayers.

Please visit The proof that the city of Paran is Mecca. See the most recent archeological discoveries that prove that the desert of Paran is located in Saudi Arabia and not in Egypt's Sinai desert.

If Islam is so against any form of idol worship, why do they bow to the kaaba? Why do they call it God's House? Do they believe He lives there?

http://www.answering-christianity.co..._challenge.htm

The Aramaic Bible mentions "Muhammad" as the next Prophet of GOD Almighty

This article was sent to me by brother Tera Tak Adamar; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

I was getting shock when I read that "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus (p.b.u.h).


Follow me as we trace the Biblical history of this Greek word "Paraclete". Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man "Muhammad." (1 Jesus in The Qur'an, One World Publications, (c) Geoffrey Parrinder 1965, 1995, ISBN 1-85168-094-2. Knowing this, there is a need for us to study the life of Prophet Muhammad in depth to see if it all stands up. Surprisingly it does.



Allahu Akbar (GOD is Great)!, for the complete explanation by Aramaic Bible Society please visit:

http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

This proved what has been said by Qur'an:


"Those who follow the apostle the unlettered prophet (prophet Muhammad - p.b.u.h) whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the law (Torah) and the Gospel" (Qur'an 7:157)



According to Holy Qur'an the name of prophet Muhammad or Ahmad (p.b.u.h) is mention by name in the Gospel (Injeel):


"And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is Ahmad (the Praised One)." (Qur'an 61:6)



If you refer to Song of Solomon in Hebrew scripture, the name 'Muhammad' also mention there, please read Song of Solomon 5:16, it looks like this:


"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow mahamadiym zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."

http://www.answering-christianity.com/aramaic_bible.htm

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1- In the New Testament:

Being like the teacher. An 11-page PDF file that contains ample proofs from Aramaic showing that the word 'Muslim' was mentioned by Jesus himself.

In the Gospel of John: Muhammad is mentioned by the name and was foretold in the Gospel of John. This is a must read article! It proves that Jesus peace be upon him predicted for the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to come after him.

The Aramaic Bible predicts the coming of Muhammad by the exact word.

Further proofs from the Aramaic Bible Society. A very good proof from the Aramaic Bible Society web site regarding Muhammad's name mentioned in the Greek Bible. This is a must visit link!!.

Jesus told the Jews that GOD Almighty will take His Kingdom from them and give it to the Muslims.

My detailed rebuttal to a Christian rebuttal about Muhammad was foretold by Jesus. I addressed all of their rebuttal points and refuted them. The article also talks about the 24,000 books that the current Bible's 66 books came from, and how that makes the current 66 chosen books extremely unreliable and doubtful.





2- In the Book of Isaiah:

Isaiah 42-54 predicts Islam, and the removal of GOD Almighty's Covenant from the people of Israel.

In the Book of Isaiah: Isaiah in the Bible foretold the story of "Al-alak" that is in the Noble Quran about Muhammad. Isaiah in the Bible foretold the story of "Al-alak" in the Noble Quran which happened to Muhammad and never happened to any other Prophet. It is the story where the Angel Gabriel repeatedly commands the Prophet to read, and the Prophet (i.e. Muhammad) repeatedly replies "I can't read".

http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

[Mihai36]

Despre articolul despre Mohammed -o parte este adevarat insa nu integral.

Mohammed nu a fost Duhul Sfint.
iar in Isaia de la 42 la 54 nu se vb de Mohammed ci de perioada Judecatii si a doua venire , deci evenimente care abia acum urmeaza.