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În prealabil postat de Lavrentiu Vezi mesajul
Deci afirmatia dumneavoastra conform careia Sfantul Luca al Crimeii ar promova o cosmologie favorabila evolutionismului, cum sa spun elegant, mi se pare ca nu are niciun temei.
In citatul anterior Sfantul Luca al Crimeii se refera inechivoc la: mecanica clasica, mecanica newtoniana, teoria relativitatii... deci la paradigma stiintifca contemporana.

In urmatorul citat este prezentat inechvoc arborele filogenetic (stramosul comun...):
"De la clasa protozoarelor se ramifică două lumi grandioase de ființe vii: ale plantelor și ale animalelor. Complexitatea lumii vegetale a ajuns până la forme uimitoare, ca florile minunat mirositoare, palmierii și chiparoșii eleganți, măreții cedri de Liban, stejarii puternici și arborii sequoia, care trăiesc până la trei mii de ani. Comparativ cu acestea, par cu totul neînsemnate forme primitive ca polipii, holoturiile (castraveții de mare), stelele de mare și viermii, [...]

Este cu totul neîndoielnic că întreaga lume vegetală și animală e înzestrată cu darul primordial al Duhului Sfânt - duhul vieții."

LUCA AL CRIMEEI, Sfântul, Puterea inimii, trad. Savga Evdochia, Bucuresti: Sophia, 2010., pag. 72.

Evolution - BO
"Evolution is the popular name for a set of scientific theories which aim to explain the apparent similarity of different species and the appearance of complex species later in the fossil record. In short, evolution means that all life on earth shares a common ancestry which can traced back to a single species. Orthodox Christians have divergent views on how to react to this development in science.

In general Orthodox responses can be grouped into two large categories, which we might label Compatibilism and Incompatibilism.

Compatibilists hold that science and theology are compatible and view them as complementary revelations of God. As God is the source of both his specific revelation of himself in the Christian faith and the source of the general revelation of himself in nature, the findings of science and theology cannot really contradict; the contradictions must be merely apparent and a resolution possible which is faithful to the truth of God's revelation.

Incompatibilists hold that science can be incompatible with faith. They usually argue either that science is philosophically based on a kind of naturalism or that God's specific revelation is infallible and therefore trumps the findings of human reason in the case of any conflict between them. This is often based on a suspicion of human reason to arrive at reliable conclusions in the first place.

The development of modern science dates to the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, so no ecumenical council has ever addressed how to integrate it with divine revelation in a coherent and consistent worldview. As a result, there is not a dogmatic treatment examining how to resolve conflicts, whether apparent or real, when scientific findings appear to contradict divine revelation. Many early fathers were happy to use the primitive science of their day to divine purposes, perhaps suggesting to modern Christians a compatibilist resolution to the question. Other fathers, however, clearly see conflicts and contradictions which they resolve in favor of their understanding of Christian revelation. "
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Evolution

Compatibilist

Boojamra, Dr. John, "The Orthodox Idea of Creation" The Word, June 1999, pp.31-34 An overview of Orthodox cosmology, intended for teachers and youth leaders as a background for discussion of various educational segments related to creation. Concise and useful for a general understanding of Orthodox cosmology.
Breck, Archpriest John V. "Ex Nihilo" Life in Christ, February 2008 #1.
Fritts, Kevin Basil, "On the Dogma of Creation" The author is a contributor to this OrthodoxWiki article.
Hallam, Fr. Gregory, "Orthodoxy and Creationism"
Kalomiros, Dr. Alexandre, "The Six Dawns"
Kuraev, Fr. Deacon Andrey, "Can an Orthodox Become an Evolutionist?"; "Orthodoxy and Creationism"
Maletis, John P., "Let There Be Light: An Orthodox Christian Theory of Human Evolution for the 21st Century". Theandros Vol. 5 No. 3.
McDowell, Maria Gwyn, "The 'Monopoly of Darwinism': An open letter to Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev"
Metallinos, V. Rev. Prof. Dr. George, "Faith and Science in Orthodox Gnosiology and Methodology" Very briefly mentions evolution, but overall states the traditional Orthodox position of separation between divine and earthly knowledge.
Mileant, Bishop Alexander of Buenos Aires and South America (ROCOR). The Origins of the World and Mankind: An Attempt to Reconcile the Biblical Account with Scientific Discoveries. Transl. by Karyn and Michael Grigoriev. Ed. by Natalia Semyanko. Holy Trinity Orthodox Mission, La Canada, California, 2004.
Nicozisin, Fr. George, "Creationism versus Evolution"
Smith, Allyne, H. Tristram Engelhardt, Jr., Edward Hughes, and J. Henry, "Orthodoxy", in The History of Science and Religion in the Western Tradition (2000): 268-273.
Theokritoff, George, with Elizabeth Theokritoff, "Genesis and Creation: Towards a debate" (PDF) — Review of Seraphim Rose, Genesis, Creation and Early Man: The Orthodox Christian Vision, in St. Vladimir's Theological Quarterly, Volume 46, Number 2 (2002). George Theokritoff is a paleontologist and Elizabeth is a theological scholar, author and editor of The Cambridge Companion to Orthodox Christian Theology (ISBN 0521683388).
Ware, Metropolitan Kallistos, "Orthodoxy and Evolution", video: answer to a question asked in a lecture on "Salvation in Christ" at Seattle Pacific University. The question on faith and science and evolutionary theory comes at the end, at the 1:29 : 30 mark.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Evolution#Compatibilist
Ar mai trebui adaugati multi autori contemporani de marca precum: IPS Lazar Puhalo...

Doamne ajuta.

P.S. Chiar daca sunteti in grupul ce sustine incopatibilitatea intre stiinta si religie, orice dialog stiintific trebuie sa fie conform paradigmelor stiintifice, respectand metoda stiintifica.
Argumente pseudo-stiintifice, gen "complexitate ireductibila" specifice creationimsului pseudo-stiintific "planul inteligent" nu pot fi acceptate intr-o discutie stiintifica intrucat nu respecta rigorile metodei stiintifice.
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