Despre sinodul cretan ,pareri

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În prealabil postat de AlinB

Desi in ceea ce priveste thiomersalul sunt niste studii care ii pun siguranta sub semnul intrebarii - cel putin pentru o anumita categorie de persoane, de exemplu nu a am gasit (nici n-am cautat intensiv dar poate o faci tu) unul despre efectul sarurilor de aluminiu.

Sărurile de aluminiu constituie un adjuvant neurotoxinic şi imunostimulator, care din punctul de vedere al CDC în concentraţiile din vaccinuri nu este periculos, dar antivacciniştii spun că el ar fi şi o altă cauză a reacţiilor adverse şi o explicaţie a faptului că autismul continuă să crească în ciuda eliminării thimerosalului.

http://www.oapublishinglondon.com/article/1368#

Aluminum as a candidate risk factor in autism

At least two other studies in the current literature support the role of Al in neurological and neurodevelopmental disorders. Seneff et al.’s[106] recent comprehensive analysis of the data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) showed that reports of autism in VAERS increased steadily at the end of the last century during a period when Hg was being phased out of U.S. vaccines, while Al adjuvant burden was being increased. Using standard log-likelihood ratio techniques, Seneff et al.[106] also identified several signs and symptoms that were significantly more prevalent in vaccine reports after 2000, including cellulitis, seizure, depression, fatigue, pain and death, which were also significantly associated with Al-containing vaccines. Finally, Melendez et al.[104] found that autistic patients have higher than normal blood serum levels of Al and other toxic metals (Cr and As) while having lower levels of essential metals including Zn, Cu and Mg. Al is well known to displace essential metals from bio-enzymes, especially Mg and this property of Al is linked to its role in triggering neurodegenerative disorders 8. In the study by Melendez et al.[104] several important factors regarding exposure to toxic metals were identified: in 80% of the cases the autistic children had used or made use of controlled drugs and 90% of them had taken all recommended vaccines. In addition, 70% of mothers of ASD children received vaccines and 80% of them ate canned food and fish during pregnancy.

That second insult could conceivably be that from Al from various sources including paediatric vaccines, although clearly other toxicants may also be involved.

Conclusion:
It should be clear by now that the etiology of ASD is not a simple process involving only genetic factors, but rather involves a multiple “hit” etiology. This is not particularly surprising given the existing literature on neurodegenerative disorders associated with aging, e.g., Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson disease, and ALS have reached much the same conclusions. Based on the likelihood of gene-environment interaction, we propose that some combination of genetic predispositions can sensitize the developing CNS of some individuals to a secondary toxic insult. That second insult could conceivably be that from Al from various sources including paediatric vaccines, although clearly other toxicants may also be involved.

Al salts are the most widely used adjuvants in current use. The fact that they can trigger pathological immunological responses and a cascade of adverse health effects is now well documented, albeit still not widely recognized in the medical community. As detailed in this article, the risks associated vaccine-derived Al are four-fold. First, Al can persist in the body; second, Al can trigger pathological immunological responses; third, Al can make its way into the CNS where it can activate deleterious immuno-inflammatory and excitotoxic processes; fourth, Al can alter expression of numerous genes involved in the immuno-inflammatory responses and cell-to-cell signalling.

Further, given that a strong adjuvant effect can overcome even genetic resistance to autoimmunity, it is likely that an increasing number of individuals, regardless of their genetic background, will react adversely if exposures to compounds with immune adjuvant properties exceed a certain threshold. Prior genetic susceptibilities may in such cases only determine the degree of severity of manifestations of the disease spectrum, rather than being the principal driving factor in their increase. The fact that as many as 2% of 6 to17 year olds in the U.S. currently show some form of autism (representing over a 70% increase since 2007), argues in favour of this hypothesis. No genetic susceptibility can account for such a dramatic increase in such a short time span as genes in a population are highly unlikely to change that rapidly. Notably, studies on twins have now shown that common environmental factors account for 55% of their risk for developing autism while genetic susceptibility explains only 37% of cases. Because the prenatal environment and early postnatal environment are shared between twins and because overt symptoms of autism emerge around the end of the first year of life, it is reasonable that at least some of the environmental factors contributing to the risk of autism exert their deleterious neurodevelopmental effect during this early period of life. Indeed, important aspects of human brain development take place during the first two postnatal years, when the immature brain is extremely vulnerable to neurotoxic and immunotoxic insults. This is also a period during which children worldwide are routinely exposed to the majority of Al-adjuvanted vaccines. Al is both a neurotoxin and an immunotoxin and there is now sufficient evidence from both human and animal studies that cumulative exposure to this adjuvant is not as benign as previously assumed. Because infants represent the most vulnerable population that is universally and routinely exposed to Al adjuvants, a more rigorous evaluation of its potentially adverse neurodevelopmental impacts is needed.

[AlinB]

Bun, vezi, asa se face, asa e frumos, studiu decent, copy paste la rezumat, bravos :)
Din pacate nu am timp sa citesc in detaliu, ce sa mai zic de cautari aferete.


Te invit sa scrii lui Vania Atudoarei si sa-i ceri parerea poate iti raspunde. :)

Cred ca gasesti aici datele lui de contact:

https://ro.linkedin.com/in/vania-atudorei-447b1351

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Mulţumesc. Îţi promit că am să încerc să-i scriu un mail. :)

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În prealabil postat de AlinB

Pai na, BigPharma are prea multi bani momentan si nu primeste comenzi noi pana nu-i cheltuieste pe aia care i-a facut deja :)
Ce sa zic, asta e logistica de la noi, probabil nu s-au inteles baietii destepti intre ei, care sa faca banuti din chestia asta.

Ideea era alta, că nu e chiar o tragedie să nu-ţi vaccinezi copilul în primele 24 de ore / 3 zile de la naştere. Babaul nu este chiar aşa de mare. :)

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AFIK, Riscul de hepatita B si mai ales de evolutie nefasta este mai mare in primele 5 luni.
Se poate transmite inclusiv la nastere de la mama la fat (daca mama o are deja) nu mai zic de la instrumentarul spitalicesc.

Spre deosebire de seringi, ala nu e de unica intrebuintare. Stiu, teoretic se sterilizeaza, dar la fel se sterilizau si seringile.

Celalalt e vaccinul TBC.

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În prealabil postat de AlinB

Oricum, rata profitului nu e foarte mare cum e din energie sau altele..

Părerea lui Vania Autudorei este alta: "Industria farmaceutica este pe primul loc (ca profit), pentru ca ei pot sa fabrice un medicament cu un dolar si sa-l vanda cu 20 de dolari…" :)

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Nu uita ca pe langa costul de fabricatie sunt si cel de R&D, testare, aprobare, etc. chiar si marketing & distributie, deloc neglijabile.

Industria homeopatica este pe primul loc, pentru ca produc cu 0.001$ si vand cu 20$ :)

Fara R&D, fara testare, aprobare din oficiu ... :)

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:)) Ai ce ai cu homeopatia. Ţi-am dat părerea unuia din domeniu, unul amintit de tine. :)

BTW, am trimis mail, acum aşteptăm, deşi mă îndoiesc că o să răspundă. Cel mai probabil nu o să primesc nici un răspuns. Nu am reuşit să trimit de pe linkedin, am găsit altă sursă: http://www.bibliotecabotosani.ro/ind...atudorei-vania

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În prealabil postat de AlinB

Sentinte de genul "conţine hidroxid de Al, un adjuvant neurotoxinic" - arata ignoranta in materie de toxicologie, aspect care l-am mai subliniat si cu alte ocazii.

Dacă vrei să fii obiectiv trebuie să ţii cont de cumularea metalelor grele din toate dozele de vaccinuri, adică 32 în primele 24 de luni ale copilului.

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autismul e deja diagnosticat la aceasta varsta, de asta "scade".

Da, în contextul schemei de imunizare recomandată în primele 24 de luni de la naştere (cum spuenam 32 de doze).

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedul...dolescent.html

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Tot din ignoranta, tot fara sa existe la capitolul asta nici macar un singur studiu care sa indice ceva sigur in directia asta.

Da, pentru că nu s-a făcut nici un studiu comparativ cu cei nevaccinaţi. Virusurile vii, combinate, pot duce, prin schimbări de gene între ele, la modificări ale propietăţilor virale. Dacă are loc o scădere a imunităţii prin unul din virusurile din vaccin, celelalte două virusuri existente pot provoca o reacţie autoimună.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01718162

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Pentru cei care zic ca Dumnezeu Tatal nu poate fi reprezentat:
http://adevarul.ro/locale/hunedoara/...ign=CrossPromo

Asa mi l-am imaginat si eu pe Dumnezeu Tatal, independent de cele de mai sus.Si multa lume asa si-l imagineaza fara sa fii vorbit inainte.Acest arhetip pt Dumnezeu Tatal este unul destul de raspandit in mentalul colectiv, fara ca oamenii sa-si fi vorbit inainte despre acest subiect.