Sunt ateu, intrebati-ma orice!

[Danut7]

Citate ale lui Albert Einstein :

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.

Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.

God always takes the simplest way.

God does not play dice.

God may be subtle, but he isn't plain mean.

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.

I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.

I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.

I shall never believe that God plays dice with the world.

I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details.

Morality is of the highest importance - but for us, not for God.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it.

Never lose a holy curiosity.

I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?

In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)

[Danut7]

“Do I believe that someone plans the daily life of Albert Einstein?” he says, and then shakes his head slightly to emphasize a negative reply, “No,” he says, and then in a more animated pose, his brow slightly furrowed and a smile lurking beneath his broad mustache, he continues; “Although, sometimes I think he may have been leading me up the garden path.”

“But, didn’t he make the garden?” The nurse’s reply is thoughtful as the camera moves to a close up of just her face, and then back to the two in intimate conversation, and the old man’s tentative reply crosses his lips: “I think he IS the garden.”

If the exchange had ended there, Dawkins and those of his persuasion could feel justified in their assessment of Einstein’s belief. God is the garden, they could say. OK, so Einstein believed in a sort of mushy pantheistic system where everything is god and god is everything. No problem. But the exchange doesn’t stop there. The reenactment continues with one more short exchange between the nurse and her elderly charge.

Almost without hesitation the nurse picks up the thread of the professor’s thought and says: “But, isn’t he the gardener too?” To which the old man looks straight at the camera and replies thoughtfully: “Yes, and all my life I’ve been trying to catch him at his work.”

[Danut7]

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“Do I believe that someone plans the daily life of Albert Einstein?” he says, and then shakes his head slightly to emphasize a negative reply, “No,” he says, and then in a more animated pose, his brow slightly furrowed and a smile lurking beneath his broad mustache, he continues; “Although, sometimes I think he may have been leading me up the garden path.”

“But, didn’t he make the garden?” The nurse’s reply is thoughtful as the camera moves to a close up of just her face, and then back to the two in intimate conversation, and the old man’s tentative reply crosses his lips: “I think he IS the garden.”

If the exchange had ended there, Dawkins and those of his persuasion could feel justified in their assessment of Einstein’s belief. God is the garden, they could say. OK, so Einstein believed in a sort of mushy pantheistic system where everything is god and god is everything. No problem. But the exchange doesn’t stop there. The reenactment continues with one more short exchange between the nurse and her elderly charge.

Almost without hesitation the nurse picks up the thread of the professor’s thought and says: “But, isn’t he the gardener too?” To which the old man looks straight at the camera and replies thoughtfully: “Yes, and all my life I’ve been trying to catch him at his work.”

uite aici cat de ateist a fost Einstein inainte sa moara.

În prealabil postat de Danut7

uite aici cat de ateist a fost Einstein inainte sa moara.

Deci l-a cautat pe dumnezeu si nu la- gasit, oricat de mult ar fi vrut si ar fi speculat in prvinta naturii acestui zeu. Si iarasi nu mai faceti confuzie intre zeul biblic, tipic tuturor zeilor din acae perioda si locatie si Dumenzeul mai nou conceput de filozosi, cum ca e atotputernic si cunoscator etc. Daca la-i fi intberat pe eistein poti sa fii sigur ca n uar fi sustinut nici o aberatie din biblie sau vro lege crestina absurda. El era un deist, o persoana care vede un zeu dar unul care a creat universul si atat.

haideti ca am deviat prea mult de la subiectm raspunde-ti si voi la astea va rog.

1. Care credeti ca e mai rau Hitler sau Stalin?
2. Ce parere aveti despre strategia de control a populatiei prin "circ si paine"?
3. Ce parere aveti despre zodiac, dar cel chinezesc?
4. Ce parere aveti despre icoanele care plang si in general locurile cu desemnate ca sfinte si tamaduitoare in religia crestin ortodoxa.
5. Ce credeti, comunismul e o ideologie atee sau o religie?
6. Voi sunteti credinciosi de tipul, credinta ma ajuta in viata reala si de asta traiesc mai bine daca sunt credincios sau sunteti de genul, in viata asta nu ma ajuta cu nimic credinta dar dupa ma duc sigur in rai?
7. Dumnezeu aude mai bine rugaciunile copiilor, fiind nepacatosi si fara ispite?
8. Ce procent din populatie estimati ca se duce in iad? face-ti o cuantificare daca e posibil.
9. Daca Dumnezeu azi ar fi exact ca cel din vechiul testament l-ati mai iubi?
10. Credeti ca tarile crestine au avantaj fata de cele necrestine?
11. Ce parere aveti despre genocid?
12. Daca azi Mitropolitul tarii ar cere uciderea a toti tiganii pentru ca asa ia ordonat dumnezu, ati fi deacord?
13. Ce-i care nu stiu de crestinism, si n-au cum se afle se duc si ei in rai? Daca da atunci un crestin mai pacatos se duce in iad?
14. Daca un copil moare fara a fi botezat, merita sa se duca in iad?
15. Voi cati bani dati pe luna la biserica?
16. Ati fi deacord cu interzicerea homosexualitatii prin lege?
17. Dar a tigarilor si alcoolului?
18. Daca biserica ar forma un partid care sa o reprezinte, ati vota pentru acest partid?
19. Ce parere aveti despre media de orice fel, carti, filme, jocuri video care prezinta o lume fictiva cu alti zei si filosofii decat cea crestina?
20. Ati fi deacord cu instaurarea unei legi anti-blasfemie, adica unde sa nu poti critica o religie in nici un fel, cum e acuma in Irlanda?

Raspundeti la care intrebari vreti, numai sa mentionati numarul intrebarii.

[AlinB]

În prealabil postat de AteulCelRau

haideti ca am deviat prea mult de la subiectm raspunde-ti si voi la astea va rog.

Vezi ca e un topic cu "intrebari pentru credinciosi".

Aici parca tu trebuia sa raspunzi la intrebari, dar atunci cand intrebarile devin incomode te eschivezi facand pe desteptul si acuzandu-i pe ceilalti de subiectivism, cand tocmai asta arata ca nu prea esti..

[AlinB]

În prealabil postat de AteulCelRau

Deci l-a cautat pe dumnezeu si nu la- gasit, oricat de mult ar fi vrut si ar fi speculat in prvinta naturii acestui zeu. Si iarasi nu mai faceti confuzie intre zeul biblic, tipic tuturor zeilor din acae perioda si locatie si Dumenzeul mai nou conceput de filozosi, cum ca e atotputernic si cunoscator etc. Daca la-i fi intberat pe eistein poti sa fii sigur ca n uar fi sustinut nici o aberatie din biblie sau vro lege crestina absurda. El era un deist, o persoana care vede un zeu dar unul care a creat universul si atat.

Tu esti cel cam confuz aici, si tind sa cred ca nu sunt confuzii generate strict de ignoranta ci de nevoia de a gasi o filosofie prin care sa se refuze chemearea inerenta din fiecare om, de a-L gasi pe Dumnezeu.

Einstein n-a ales cea mai fericita cale de a-L cunoaste pe Dumnezeu, de fapt nici macar n-a fost interesat in aceasta directie, a fost prea fascinat de lumea materiala, si chiar si asa a ajuns la o intelegere superioara multor atei care cred, culmea ridicolului, ca intamplarea ar putea genera forme de viata complexe.

Si o am scalzi mai nene, aici http://www.crestinortodox.ro/forum/member.php?u=22913 ai afirmat ca Einstein a fost ateu identificand (ce hilar!!!) ateismul cu sinceritatea, ca mai apoi sa o scalzi si sa spui ca de fapt a fost deist.

Deci sa intelegem ca un ateu este de fapt deist?

[Danut7]

În prealabil postat de AteulCelRau

Deci l-a cautat pe dumnezeu si nu la- gasit, oricat de mult ar fi vrut si ar fi speculat in prvinta naturii acestui zeu. Si iarasi nu mai faceti confuzie intre zeul biblic, tipic tuturor zeilor din acae perioda si locatie si Dumenzeul mai nou conceput de filozosi, cum ca e atotputernic si cunoscator etc. Daca la-i fi intberat pe eistein poti sa fii sigur ca n uar fi sustinut nici o aberatie din biblie sau vro lege crestina absurda. El era un deist, o persoana care vede un zeu dar unul care a creat universul si atat.

Nu era deist, nu apartinea nici unui cult.Einstein a fost agnostic.

[redandrei90]

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