Vorbirea in limbi la penticostali...

[Doriana]

Deci vrei sa stii daca toti penticostalii sunt muzicieni sau vrei o solutie la problema cu vecinii tai? Sau doar ai vrut sa ne povestesti despre vecinii tai penticostali nesimtiti?

[dianadi]

vreau sa stiu dc toti procedeaza la fel , dc asta cu muzica face parte din indatorirea lor sau e doar distractie ca sa strice linistea

[Doriana]

E drept ca tuturor le place muzica [si eu am orga, dar stau la curte :D ], care nu stie canta la un instrument canta din gura cum poate. Nu e obligatoriu, dar unii se simt mai muzicieni ca altii. Deci ce ai tu in bloc e un caz patologic. Nu trebuie sa deranjam si sa abuzam de ingadiunta vecinilor nostri. In locul tau as vorbi cu conducerea bisericii despre purtarea lor . Daca gasesti niste oameni intelepti acolo pot vorbi cu ei sa-i mai linisteasca.

[Danut7]

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Ex-Pentecostal



Tongues, a sign to unbelievers

It is clear from 1 Cor 14:2 that the gift of speaking in tongues were addressed to God and not to men. It is also clear from 1 Cor 14:22 that speaking in tongues (addressed to God) was A SIGN. Some would like tongues to be a sign for believers, but Paul clearly said it is not.[COLOR=red]"Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe..."[/COLOR]

There are posters hear who would twist scripture to prove otherwise. If tongues were a SIGN to believers or the initial evident sign of the Baptism of the Spirit, that the believer has entered into a second experience in the Christian life, why did Paul not say so clearly. Paul did not say that tongues will confirm to the believer that he is baptized with the Spirit and has now a "plus" in his spiritual life. Scripture says not one word in this regard.

Pentecostals can only assume this from three accounts in Acts (2, 10, 19) when tongues were spoken the moment they were filled with the Holy Spirit but there are other accounts where tongues were not present when they were filled with Spirit.

1 Cor 12:30 asserts that not all speak in tongues. The only way to avoid this problem in pentecostalism is to differentiate between tongues in Acts and tongues in Cor. All believers in Acts that is filled with the Spirit, should have a initial evidence or sign that they are baptized, and that would be tongues. And in Corinthians uninterpreted tongues are viewed as a sign to unbelievers.

BUT Paul did not say unintelligible tongues had any purpose at all. Instead he said that tongues without understanding, will not profit any (including believers).

[COLOR=red]1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
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Tongues that is not understood has no purpose at all.

[COLOR=red]1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. [/COLOR]

The speaker (speaking to God) in tongues that is not understood shall be a barbarian to me AND I (speaking to God) in tongues shall be a barbarian unto him. I SHALL BE THE BARBARIAN. Why would God use this, (me being a barbarian) to be a sign of judgement to the unbeliever? NO NO NO!

Paul did not say uninterpreted tongues are for a SIGN...No! He said tongues (Plural). He is clearly referring to the gift of tongues in general. AND he said clearly it is not a sign to believers. This is so easy to understand. But Pentecostals twists and bends these scriptures to their own deceit. The contradiction (taking a sign unto themselves) is total.

Not one of the spiritual gifts were given as a sign to oneself, but all the gifts were given to profit others.

The goal of the gift of tongues (speaking to God) is to reach unbelievers and not believers.

1) What spirit inspires those who attribute a role to tongues that is categorically refuted by the true Holy Spirit?

2) What spirit could they have been baptised in, those who hide the shining truth of I Cor.14:22 under a bushel? And why do they feel extremely awkward as soon as you make the remark to them? And count yourself happy if you do not come across an extremist who is offended because you believe what the true Holy Spirit has said, and who accuses you of sinning against Him.

Blessings